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[Chico23231]

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87 mil Guaranteed...basically 22 million more than the next QB on the list. I don't know...foolish imo and the track record for dumb contracts recently in Indy isn't great. The development of that team hasn't been great.

You could have gotten a better...maybe much better...team friendly deal negotiated.

Is he good enough to lead a team to the Super bowl, yes. Is he good enough to lead that that Indy team to a Superbowl...no.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Quarterback Contracts | Spotrac

87 mil Guaranteed...basically 22 million more than the next QB on the list. I don't know...foolish imo and the track record for dumb contracts recently in Indy isn't great. The development of that team hasn't been great.

You could have gotten a better...maybe much better...team friendly deal negotiated.

Is he good enough to lead a team to the Super bowl, yes. Is he good enough to lead that that Indy team to a Superbowl...no.

What makes you say they could have gotten a better, more team friendly deal negotiated? I'm just wondering what fact that's based on.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What makes you say they could have gotten a better, more team friendly deal negotiated? I'm just wondering what fact that's based on.

Rite. Im sure there was some thought put into it. Lol.

What exactly is Lucks situation? In other words could he have signed elsewhere? If yes what team that needs a qb also has that kind of money to throw at him? Just curious.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Rite. Im sure there was some thought put into it. Lol.

What exactly is Lucks situation? In other words could he have signed elsewhere? If yes what team that needs a qb also has that kind of money to throw at him? Just curious.

Great question, this gets to useful specifics. He was signed through this upcoming season at $16M, but would have been a free agent in 2017.

According to OvertheCap, here is the projected cap room by team in 2017. I bolded the ones that are QB needy:

Buccaneers 62,557,050 - Winston would not stop you from signing luck
Patriots 62,426,481
Broncos 59,239,449
Cardinals 56,230,817
Bears 54,634,333
Steelers 52,367,705
Panthers 48,671,301
49ers 44,841,486
Browns 44,673,390
Raiders 44,387,278
Colts 42,205,426
Bengals 41,059,865
Titans 40,579,159
Redskins 40,574,496
Lions 39,130,414
Saints 38,993,067 Brees is also FA in 2017
Seahawks 33,706,790
Bills 32,486,952
Vikings 31,849,040
Falcons 31,583,760
Rams 31,348,342
Chargers 26,836,303
Packers 24,708,254

You don't think John Elway would pay ANYTHING to get Andrew Luck, with that much free space in 2017? Luck held every card in the fucking deck. The Colts were held hostage, they had no choice.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Great question, this gets to useful specifics. He was signed through this upcoming season at $16M, but would have been a free agent in 2017.



According to OvertheCap, here is the projected cap room by team in 2017. I bolded the ones that are QB needy:



Buccaneers 62,557,050 - Winston would not stop you from signing luck

Patriots 62,426,481

Broncos 59,239,449

Cardinals 56,230,817

Bears 54,634,333

Steelers 52,367,705

Panthers 48,671,301

49ers 44,841,486

Browns 44,673,390

Raiders 44,387,278

Colts 42,205,426

Bengals 41,059,865

Titans 40,579,159

Redskins 40,574,496

Lions 39,130,414

Saints 38,993,067 Brees is also FA in 2017

Seahawks 33,706,790

Bills 32,486,952

Vikings 31,849,040

Falcons 31,583,760

Rams 31,348,342

Chargers 26,836,303

Packers 24,708,254



You don't think John Elway would pay ANYTHING to get Andrew Luck, with that much free space in 2017? Luck held every card in the fucking deck. The Colts were held hostage, they had no choice.

I am not nearly as sold on Winston as I am on Carr in Oakland. I would not have him on the list.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What makes you say they could have gotten a better, more team friendly deal negotiated? I'm just wondering what fact that's based on.

They aren't negotiating against any other team for his services. For some unknown reason Irsay kept stating he was blow the dome off with the deal...http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/co...ear-floor/...I just don't think this is the best way to get a deal done. I think Luck has potential...but he got serious questions too.
Its not like Indy is so talented they don't need possible space to spend on their own players or other pending free agents. I think Luck and his agent got the best possible deal from the Colts. Good for them.

Plus the facts of the deal...look at deal, going value of relative to other QBs and their deals. Irsay was right, it blew the dome off other QB deal ..that's the best deal they coulda gotten? Good for Luck! Good luck to Indy!

they paid that much for potential too, not necessarily for performance.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

They aren't negotiating against any other team for his services. For some unknown reason Irsay kept stating he was blow the dome off with the deal...http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/co...ear-floor/...I just don't think this is the best way to get a deal done. I think Luck has potential...but he got serious questions too.
Its not like Indy is so talented they don't need possible space to spend on their own players or other pending free agents. I think Luck and his agent got the best possible deal from the Colts. Good for them.

Plus the facts of the deal...look at deal, going value of relative to other QBs and their deals. Irsay was right, it blew the dome off other QB deal ..that's the best deal they coulda gotten? Good for Luck! Good luck to Indy!

they paid that much for potential too, not necessarily for performance.

OK well at least we're not disagreeing on the interpretation of the market, which would be really crazy. We disagree on Luck the player. I saw last year as a complete aberration thanks to playing with way more pain than he let on, he was really hurt. He is definitely capable of elevating a moribund team when he's fully healthy, and any improvements in that offensive line at all and he'll be back to hitting Hilton for TD after TD.

I'd love to be in a fantasy league with you this year, one more team owner willing to pass on Luck.

[Schneed10]

The Colts could have franchised him, but what's the point of that. You don't need Andrew Luck to prove himself one more time the way we need Cousins to.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The Colts could have franchised him, but what's the point of that. You don't need Andrew Luck to prove himself one more time the way we need Cousins to.

I love Cousins, think he's great, think he's the best thing for this team in a long time, but i still think about the possibility of him playing in another uniform in 2017. Probably everyone has thought about it. I want to have hope for the "new regime" but i still get afraid sometimes that we will "redskin" the situation with cousins

[Schneed10]

Let's put it this way, it would have taken the sales deal of punch's life to get Luck to agree to take less $ than that.

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Let's put it this way, it would have taken the sales deal of punch's life to get Luck to agree to take less $ than that.

Thanks for the info - looks like he would most certainly have been scooped up. They did the right thing by ensuring he did not.

That sales deal is coming to fruition btw, and turned out to be even bigger than I thought. Dont know if it would put a dent in Lucks paycheck but it should buy me quite a few trips down I95 for some home games.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Thanks for the info - looks like he would most certainly have been scooped up. They did the right thing by ensuring he did not.

That sales deal is coming to fruition btw, and turned out to be even bigger than I thought. Dont know if it would put a dent in Lucks paycheck but it should buy me quite a few trips down I95 for some home games.

[punch it in]

But - again - you dont gamble with potentially great young quarterbacks that have shown more than a glimpse of greatness on the field. If they didn't lock him up he would have been gone next year. Maybe it was a few mill over the current standard, but like Schneed said - whats that worth? One good linebacker?

[Chico23231]

All good points...its a really big contract and a lot of guaranteed scrilla.

That division could be fun to watch this year, I think Jacksonville could be really good if the defense can stay healthy and improve.

[Chico23231]

For the second straight year Cowboys linebacker Rolando McClain will be suspended to start the season. Sources tell Adam Schefter and myself that McClain will be suspended the first 10 games for violating the substance abuse policy. In March McClain was re-signed to a one-year deal worth up to $5 million but he could forfeit his $750,000 signing bonus.

Oh wow...are you kidding me? LOL.

Rolando McClain suspended for 10 games | ProFootballTalk