What would it take?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I think you need to look at your own party for the failing of the VA.

5 Times Republicans in Congress Screwed Veterans

same thing I said to G1. I agree. It misses the point in this discussion, but I agree.

[MTK]

The VA needs a lot of work, not hiring isn't part of the solution though. I hope most can at least agree on that.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by MTK

The VA needs a lot of work, not hiring isn't part of the solution though. I hope most can at least agree on that.

Trump vowed during his campaign to overhaul the VA. Just adding bodies doent mean a fix if its broken that bad.

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/policie...affairs-reform

*Make the VA great again by firing the corrupt and incompetent VA executives who let our veterans down, by modernizing the VA, and by empowering the doctors and nurses to ensure our veterans receive the best care available in a timely manner.

*Increase the number of mental health care professionals, and allow veteran's to be able to seek mental health care outside of the VA.

There will be hiring and there will be firing, besides most of the VA jobs are exempt from Trumps order.

VA specifies jobs exempt from Trump's hiring freeze | TheHill

[Chico23231]

While I'm not necessarily in agreement with the total ban, it's time for those countries to clean up their fuckin problem and stop spreading them across the world.

If you look at the ban, most hate this country or at the least hate our freedom. They all contain elements that are extremely dangerous to our country. Several are state sponsors of terrorism.

The fact that they are predominantly Muslim hopefully sends a message . When you have folks organize 100k-300k to create a militant nation who are openly committing genocide who are attacking Europe and our country in the name of a religion, then that religion then has a fucking problem. They are responsible for cleaning it up and aren't doing a good job of it. A lot of these country in the Middle East are a disgrace when it comes to human rights. Most of these Muslim run country treats their woman like shit...they have limited rights. But yet you'll never hear a liberal talk about that. But god forbid someone tweet something here in this country that maybe interpreted as sexist. It a hypocritical joke.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

While I'm not necessarily in agreement with the total ban, it's time for those countries to clean up their fuckin problem and stop spreading them across the world.

If you look at the ban, most hate this country or at the least hate our freedom. They all contain elements that are extremely dangerous to our country. Several are state sponsors of terrorism.

The fact that they are predominantly Muslim hopefully sends a message . When you have folks organize 100k-300k to create a militant nation who are openly committing genocide who are attacking Europe and our country in the name of a religion, then that religion then has a fucking problem. They are responsible for cleaning it up and aren't doing a good job of it. A lot of these country in the Middle East are a disgrace when it comes to human rights. Most of these Muslim run country treats their woman like shit...they have limited rights. But yet you'll never hear a liberal talk about that. But god forbid someone tweet something here in this country that maybe interpreted as sexist. It a hypocritical joke.

You won't hear them talk about a lot of things. You won't hear them talk about the Somalian guy who tried to kill innocent Ohio State students with his car and a butcher knife. They'd probably feel different if it was them getting stabbed, or run over. Or you won't hear them talk about more than 1,000 Syrians getting arrested in England last year. Some for serious crimes such as rape. Or the serious issue it's causing in Germany, more crime by Syrians over there. It's crickets when you start talking about that shit...

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

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You won't hear them talk about a lot of things. You won't hear them talk about the Somalian guy who tried to kill innocent Ohio State students with his car and a butcher knife.

I know we kinda moved on a bit but this came to mind.I was thirteen and a freshman in high school.

I am afraid for this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakLUusNlXc

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I know we kinda moved on a bit but this came to mind.I was thirteen and a freshman in high school.

I am afraid for this country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FakLUusNlXc

It seems to me this is reason to hope for the country. We have had times of great strife, government violence on it's own people, brothers fighting brothers, but our nation has survived.

Even now, when sane and rational people can absolutely air their 100% disagreements, in public and via the net, we don't resort to governmental violence (even if some protesters have). We witnessed an inauguration crowd peacefully witness the transition of polar opposites, only to have the very next day the streets filled with peaceful protesters against the people involved in that very transition. Our national guards are held to higher standards and have shown tremendous restraint even as protesters filled cities like Baltimore, and St Louis. We have airports filled with protesters making their feelings and points known, but no fatal governmental response has occurred.

It's easy to fall into the fear politics of either side, but step back, take a deep breath, and remember that this country was built by people of every race, creed and gender who loved this country more than the issues that divide us. Some will say Trump builds a base of fear, others (me included) say the democrats and liberal media build fear into the soul of their supporters, but we ALL should be able to agree that the US is what we all want to build up. And our history, I think, shows that times of great division have in the past made us a stronger, and better, country, even as we fight amongst ourselves.

[CRedskinsRule]

I insinuated nothing. I made no claim other than a hiring freeze does no more harm then all the neglect and incompetence under President Obama's administration. You trying to minimize the disaster that was Obama's VA by saying it has always been a disaster - doesn't do anything more than exemplify why letting things run as usual is a terrible idea.

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[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I insinuated nothing. I made no claim other than a hiring freeze does no more harm then all the neglect and incompetence under President Obama's administration. You trying to minimize the disaster that was Obama's VA by saying it has always been a disaster - doesn't do anything more than exemplify why letting things run as usual is a terrible idea.

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You proved my point,the VA has been neglected for the last fifty years but you only want to emphasize the "Obama" years.Pretty sure my post #136 doesn't minimize anything.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You proved my point,the VA has been neglected for the last fifty years but you only want to emphasize the "Obama" years.Pretty sure my post #136 doesn't minimize anything.

I don't know...your reaching on this giantone. The va hit the bottom during obama years.

But you can use the same logic with our security along the southern border issue. That would be very true...mismanaged but both dem and GOP presidencies.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

You proved my point,the VA has been neglected for the last fifty years but you only want to emphasize the "Obama" years.Pretty sure my post #136 doesn't minimize anything.

Actually, I agreed with your point (my post#137), but your point is irrelevant to the discussion.

To reflect on the discussion - Matty posted an article saying how the hiring freeze has had a victim and used that as an indictment of Trump not taking care of the vets. I made the point that a 5 day hiring freeze(or 90 day with exceptions for public safety) has done no worse than Pres Obama's past policies. So whether the time frame is 4 years, 8 years, or 20 years or 50 years, the point of the discussion remains the same.

[MTK]

How long is the freeze going to last though?

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

How long is the freeze going to last though?

The freeze is so dumb. What needs to happen is a cleaning of house. So many poor quality federal workers.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

The freeze is so dumb. What needs to happen is a cleaning of house. So many poor quality federal workers.

I'm not sure it's any different than the private sector, there are shitty workers everywhere you go. But with the union it's tougher to clean house.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'm not sure it's any different than the private sector, there are shitty workers everywhere you go. But with the union it's tougher to clean house.

I have worked in both sectors; the govt takes the cake on useless workers. Plus they can never be fired.

A govt employee in my office got caught jerking it at his seat. Still here to this day just moved him to another part of the building. Its unbelievable.