Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[Meks]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Its obviously not something they want to do. However, IF the rumors are true that this is not about money and has vowed to never play for the team again and he's committed to sitting out indefinitely, even if it costs him game checks, then what other choice do they have?

I hope the situation is not as dire as some reports, but if Trent really is determined, he can force them to trade him by refusing to withhold his services.

unless they get best value for him I'd say fuck em. Go ahead and sit out and smoke weed dude. You'll be a year older and a lineman who hasn't played in an NFL game in a year. Someone would sign him but would he get a great deal of money? This isn't L. Bell we're talking about here.......

( if the "not about money" reports are true )

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Meks

unless they get best value for him I'd say fuck em. Go ahead and sit out and smoke weed dude. You'll be a year older and a lineman who hasn't played in an NFL game in a year. Someone would sign him but would he get a great deal of money? This isn't L. Bell we're talking about here.......

( if the "not about money" reports are true )

I am inclined to agree. However, if a startable tackle gets cut by another team and the skins can sign him, then we have some options. At that point, trent becomes expendable.

IF we determined the relationship is unsalvageable, then shipping TW to a team for a starting player at another position of need (plus a draft pick, depending on the player) makes a lot of sense.

For example, we need an all-around tight end. Minnesota needs a tackle. Trading TW for Kyle Rudolph plus something else significant, could make a lot of sense for both teams (Minnesota would have to re-do Trents contract to something more team-friendly the next couple years). It would also allow us to cut VD and free up cap space.

Preferably, we work things out with Trent, but there are deals out there that could be made if he pushes things.

[Chico23231]

Sheehan killing Skins and especially Bruce with the handling and anticipation of how the Skins will screw this up.

Sheehan saying its funny how Bruce ramped up the interviews after the draft after being in hiding for the last year...to take credit for the draft which was well received around the league. But expect cowardly Bruce to disappear in another league wide story about the Organization dysfunction.

Sheehan says this story is another reminder of just how screwed up the Organization truly is...and he says he would look to move on from Trent if a 2nd round pick would appear.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sheehan killing Skins and especially Bruce with the handling and anticipation of how the Skins will screw this up.

Sheehan saying its funny how Bruce ramped up the interviews after the draft after being in hiding for the last year...to take credit for the draft which was well received around the league. But expect cowardly Bruce to disappear in another league wide story about the Organization dysfunction.

Sheehan says this story is another reminder of just how screwed up the Organization truly is...and he says he would look to move on from Trent if a 2nd round pick would appear.

To be fair to the team, I would imagine that HIPPA laws prevent the team from commenting on the specifics of Trent's condition without his consent. This is not a football-related medical condition, so i'm assuming whatever waivers players normally sign to allow teams to release injury-related issues would not apply here.

I'm hoping Trent's agent is just leaking stuff to give his client additional leverage in contract negotiations.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Sheehan killing Skins and especially Bruce with the handling and anticipation of how the Skins will screw this up.

Sheehan saying its funny how Bruce ramped up the interviews after the draft after being in hiding for the last year...to take credit for the draft which was well received around the league. But expect cowardly Bruce to disappear in another league wide story about the Organization dysfunction.

Sheehan says this story is another reminder of just how screwed up the Organization truly is...and he says he would look to move on from Trent if a 2nd round pick would appear.

Sheehan is a fucking joke. Honestly, I have no idea why you listen to him.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Sheehan is a fucking joke. Honestly, I have no idea why you listen to him.

How so?

He is definitely black coffee but he isn't into gossip and has reasoned opinions.

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[Meks]

i mean, it's an initial reaction to feel the way i do, but ya gotta figure that the national media are doing the best they can to trash the redskins as usual, and there might not be anything but a contract issue at play here. If thats the case? Ya try your best to get it done within reason. If the other half is true then I would have no problem trading him for a 2nd and 3rd. Sadly.

[MTK]

I think all will be well if they offered to make him the highest paid OL in the game.

[Chico23231]

Also, tidbit from Sheehan is according to a source, Bruce’s first offer was a lowball one to Schreff.
Typical

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Also, tidbit from Sheehan is according to a source, Bruce’s first offer was a lowball one to Schreff.
Typical

Every team will do this. I'm sick and tired of people thinking this only happens with the Redskins. The Steelers just let the #1 RB and #1 WR in the league walk away because they didn't want to pay them.

Every owner/front office's goal is to pay their player as little as possible. Especially with teams that have cap issues like the Redskins.

Just do everyone a favor and stop listening to Sheehan. That dude LIVES on negativity. If you want to get Redskins news with some degree of objectivity, just stick to JP Findlay and his crew.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Every team will do this. I'm sick and tired of people thinking this only happens with the Redskins. The Steelers just let the #1 RB and #1 WR in the league walk away because they didn't want to pay them.



Every owner/front office's goal is to pay their player as little as possible. Especially with teams that have cap issues like the Redskins.



Just do everyone a favor and stop listening to Sheehan. That dude LIVES on negativity. If you want to get Redskins news with some degree of objectivity, just stick to JP Findlay and his crew.

Combine the low-ball offer with Bruce Allen being the least trusted GM in the league and there is something there.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...xecutive-poll/

He screwed the last one up so bad we didn't even get a cup of coffee for cousins.

Remember when Bruce came out an announced the super terrific fantastic offer the team made to Kirk.( which was below market value)


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[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by DYoungJelly

Combine the low-ball offer with Bruce Allen being the least trusted GM in the league and there is something there.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...xecutive-poll/

He screwed the last one up so bad we didn't even get a cup of coffee for cousins.

Remember when Bruce came out an announced the super terrific fantastic offer the team made to Kirk.( which was below market value)


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Cousins is a different case, because he did not want to play here. I don't know why people don't understand that when they discuss his situation. But I'm not going to go there, because I'm sick of discussing him in here.

If you haven't, go listen to all of the Andrew Brandt's podcasts when it comes to player negotiations. While you are at it, listen to his thoughts about Cousins' dealings with the Redskins. But in general, my take is that teams are always going to want to pay players less, and agents want more, that's the nature of the business.

In general, the Redskins have had a history of paying their elite/important players (see Kerrigan's and Trent's contract renewals), pay reasonable contracts to important free agents (Norman, Alex Smith, Landon Collins), and let players who did not want to play here/wanted more than what they are worth (Crowder, Cousins, etc., etc.).

Finally, Sheehan is a joke, all he does is complains about the team and that's his shtick, that's how he gets his ratings.

You want an objective take on the team? Listen to John Keim's podcast, the Redskins Talk Podcast, heck even the Cooley Podcast. Read anything by JP Findlay, Craig Hoffman, Michael Phillips, and of course Keim. Over the past couple of weeks, those guys have even debunked some of the exaggerated reports that the likes of Grant Paulsen and Chris Russell have put out there.

[Pervis_Griffith]

There's an awful lot of stuff floating around this story it's hard to tell what is true and what isn't. But some things are obvious ...

-- TW IS under contract right now, for two more years.

-- It's impossible to replace a talent like TW - this time of year.

-- The Skins have been looking for depth at Tackle like a crack whore looking for her next hit -- pretty much on the hour.


If it's true Trent Williams "vows to never play for the Skins" .. then you have to find a way to get as much in return for him as you can. The Browns, and Texans have OLine needs and a crap ton of cap space. So start there, and see what you can get.

But if that isn't true, then you wait him out ... and maybe sweeten his deal a little bit, but in this scenario, the Skins have the leverage. TW has two years remaining on his contract. His age and injury history makes it less likely he could "pull a LeVeon Bell" successfully. So he's more likely to play, than not.


It's a freakin mess though ... exactly what we don't need to be messing around with.


I hope TW plays for us next year, the way he's capable of playing. If so, we have a chance at surprising people. If he doesn't, well, we will struggle.

[MTK]

Sheehan is too much of a fan to stay truly objective. He's pissed off just like everyone else over the last 20 years under Snyder. I do get tired of hearing about the erosion of the fan base lol, but I do like the guests he has including Cooley and SVP, and I like his back and forth with Loverro.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Sheehan is too much of a fan to stay truly objective. He's pissed off just like everyone else over the last 20 years under Snyder. I do get tired of hearing about the erosion of the fan base lol, but I do like the guests he has including Cooley and SVP, and I like his back and forth with Loverro.

And this is why I identify with a lot of his rants...we are sick of the dysfunction, the pettiness, and the bullshit from the org. he gives a more honest opinion and he does have some solid sources. Sure some of his shit is annoying, but most folks with strong opinions will strike that nerve in others which show their effectiveness.