Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available

MTK · 01-25-2021, 01:56 PM

You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford.

skinsfaninok · 01-25-2021, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford.

Ron knows that or else he would just come out and say Taylor and Kyle will compete

skinsfaninok · 01-25-2021, 02:42 PM

I'm tired of losing games due to bad QB play, also it's been 30 damn years since this team went to the SB.

Schneed10 · 01-25-2021, 04:32 PM

I think Rivera views program building and culture building as very much a psychological thing, he had the team buy in and they went from 3-13 to 7-9, overcoming a lot along the way to win the NFC East. He commented that he looks at the 2020 team very fondly because of what they overcame and thus he doesn't want to see the program's growth stall out. I think he will be looking to make a big move at QB to help the program take the next step.

Once that next step occurs in 2021, we then become a destination for players.

All this is just to say that those of you who think the time to make the big move for a QB is now, I think Rivera sees it the exact same way and I'd be absolutely shocked if it didn't happen.

Chief X_Phackter · 01-25-2021, 05:03 PM

Well, he did say in his introductory press conference that he's not interested in a 5-year rebuilding period. Maybe that means this is going to be an all-in type of offseason.

However, he also stated that his main goal is to build a consistent winner - and to win the SB. Maybe that means he won't go all in on one position (QB) if that puts the rest of the roster in jeopardy.

sdskinsfan2001 · 01-25-2021, 05:26 PM

Can Stafford be traded asap? Even if it isn't to us. This thread might get to 30 pages.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-25-2021, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

Can Stafford be traded asap? Even if it isn't to us. This thread might get to 30 pages.

They can agree but it cant be official

sdskinsfan2001 · 01-25-2021, 09:43 PM

JP Finlay; Washington should trade for Matt Stafford. That's it. That's the headline:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...thats-headline

MTK · 01-26-2021, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

JP Finlay; Washington should trade for Matt Stafford. That's it. That's the headline:

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...thats-headline

end of thread

rocnrik · 01-25-2021, 10:35 PM

Something to ponder ... IF Tampa had not got Brady would they be in super bowl ? He is 10 years older than Stafford .

mooby · 01-25-2021, 11:20 PM

We don't have to pretend like that cap space is a set-in-stone object. We have execs that can move money around, create cap space by restructuring or releasing players, so I'm not worried about the financial aspect of it. I'm just worried about the price to pay. If the price is too steep, Ron needs to bounce. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we're one piece away from contending, this team still needs serious help at multiple spots. Unfortunately we had the luck of playing in a division so terrible 7-9 won it, but any other year 7-9 would be considered "progress, but not title contention." Somehow we've fooled ourselves into thinking we're a couple pieces away from contending. There's no Tom Brady to fall into our lap this year.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 01-25-2021, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mooby

We don't have to pretend like that cap space is a set-in-stone object. We have execs that can move money around, create cap space by restructuring or releasing players, so I'm not worried about the financial aspect of it. I'm just worried about the price to pay. If the price is too steep, Ron needs to bounce. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we're one piece away from contending, this team still needs serious help at multiple spots. Unfortunately we had the luck of playing in a division so terrible 7-9 won it, but any other year 7-9 would be considered "progress, but not title contention." Somehow we've fooled ourselves into thinking we're a couple pieces away from contending. There's no Tom Brady to fall into our lap this year.

I dont think we are one or two pieces of title contender, but are we one or two pieces away from division favorite? If one of those pieces is a QB I believe so, its that I get the feeling that for some of us we might as well have been 3-13 again

skinsfan69 · 01-26-2021, 02:17 AM

if you were Stafford would you come here? Colts are already a playoff team w/ a very good o-line. They will play at least 9 games indoors.

Number44 · 01-26-2021, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfan69

if you were Stafford would you come here? Colts are already a playoff team w/ a very good o-line. They will play at least 9 games indoors.

1. Yes.

2. So are we.

3. And you think that's a good thing?

AnonEmouse · 01-26-2021, 06:56 AM

I think to work out the right approach you have to stand back and look at a few things. When building a SB contender, what has worked elsewhere? For me, there are 3 possible formulae for winning:

1) Find a franchise QB in the draft and build around him. Wherever in the draft doesn't really matter, to me it seems its more important to be able to recognise the talent (like Shanny recognised that RG3 might not hold up and that Cousins was an NFL calibre QB). Pats (TB), Packers (RA), Chiefs (PM), Seahawks (RW) etc. are winners that fit in this category (won multiple times in a span or at least multiple appearances)
2) Have a team in largely place that's missing a few key pieces. Often but not necessarily QB. I'd put the '16 Broncos in here (PM), '13 Ravens (Flacco wasn't franchise material, but the missing piece to get them there), possibly the '02 Buccs (added McCardell and Pittman to supplement a great D). Often 1 off wins because the team wasn't built as a unit so pieces fall away the following years.
3) Stars align. Team is already good overall, maybe great at some positions, but somehow it all comes together for the one year. I'd put the '09 Saints and the '17 Eagles in this category.

#1 is obviously the way to do it and build a team that will go to multiple SB's in a short span. Chiefs have managed to do it now, and the Pats did it before them. Hard to maintain without some serious cap juggling, but better to achieve sustainable results.

But if you're happy with winning an SB every so often, either of the other 2 will work (maybe with a bit of luck).

So for me, we're probably in the 2nd category. We could draft in a rookie QB and assuming we get the right one, build around him, but by the time he's ready our D will probably be fragmenting as the cap hits. Of course we could just keep drafting players that slot in, but you need a good personnel team to find the lower round picks and UDFA/cheap FA players that fit that scheme (like the Pats did up to last year).

As I don't think we are in that position (KS or no KS), I'd agree that bringing in a veteran QB to drive an O to marry up with our D makes most sense. Maybe we then draft our future Mahomes/Brady/Rodgers in 2-3 years time and move on to building a new team around him. But I'm not convinced RR is our Belichick or Reid capable of doing that. So for me you see there's a window now of 2-3 years to build a championship team and you bring in the pieces to get there.

That's why I go after Stafford now. And bring in the likes of Robinson, Samuel or Galloday, draft OL and TE to give him weapons, and patch the gaps on D by drafting CB and LB. If we lose our 1st and a 3rd to bring in Stafford we could do that with the remaining picks.

And if we lose out on Stafford, I'd stand pat and hope we can get our QB in the draft. I'm just not wholly convinced we have the talent to spot that guy in the lower rounds, especially if we part ways with KS.

01-25-2021, 02:42 PM	#3
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 39 Posts: 36,242	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available I'm tired of losing games due to bad QB play, also it's been 30 damn years since this team went to the SB. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

01-25-2021, 04:32 PM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 46 Posts: 12,458	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available I think Rivera views program building and culture building as very much a psychological thing, he had the team buy in and they went from 3-13 to 7-9, overcoming a lot along the way to win the NFC East. He commented that he looks at the 2020 team very fondly because of what they overcame and thus he doesn't want to see the program's growth stall out. I think he will be looking to make a big move at QB to help the program take the next step. Once that next step occurs in 2021, we then become a destination for players. All this is just to say that those of you who think the time to make the big move for a QB is now, I think Rivera sees it the exact same way and I'd be absolutely shocked if it didn't happen. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

01-25-2021, 05:03 PM	#5
Chief X_Phackter Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Lakewood, CO Posts: 5,644	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available Well, he did say in his introductory press conference that he's not interested in a 5-year rebuilding period. Maybe that means this is going to be an all-in type of offseason. However, he also stated that his main goal is to build a consistent winner - and to win the SB. Maybe that means he won't go all in on one position (QB) if that puts the rest of the roster in jeopardy.

01-25-2021, 05:26 PM	#6
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 43 Posts: 20,873	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available Can Stafford be traded asap? Even if it isn't to us. This thread might get to 30 pages. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

01-25-2021, 09:43 PM	#8
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 43 Posts: 20,873	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available JP Finlay; Washington should trade for Matt Stafford. That's it. That's the headline: https://www.nbcsports.com/washington...thats-headline __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

01-25-2021, 01:56 PM	#1
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available You can't just say we're set at QB based on 5 quarters from Heinicke. If all else fails and he ends up the starter by default so be it. But you have to take a shot at a guy like Stafford. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

01-25-2021, 10:35 PM	#10
rocnrik Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,877	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available Something to ponder ... IF Tampa had not got Brady would they be in super bowl ? He is 10 years older than Stafford .

01-25-2021, 11:20 PM	#11
mooby Hug Anne Spyder Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 20,596	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available We don't have to pretend like that cap space is a set-in-stone object. We have execs that can move money around, create cap space by restructuring or releasing players, so I'm not worried about the financial aspect of it. I'm just worried about the price to pay. If the price is too steep, Ron needs to bounce. Let's not fool ourselves into thinking we're one piece away from contending, this team still needs serious help at multiple spots. Unfortunately we had the luck of playing in a division so terrible 7-9 won it, but any other year 7-9 would be considered "progress, but not title contention." Somehow we've fooled ourselves into thinking we're a couple pieces away from contending. There's no Tom Brady to fall into our lap this year. __________________ Hail to the Football Team

01-26-2021, 02:17 AM	#13
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,591	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available if you were Stafford would you come here? Colts are already a playoff team w/ a very good o-line. They will play at least 9 games indoors.

01-26-2021, 06:56 AM	#15
AnonEmouse Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: UK Age: 60 Posts: 2,895	Re: Stafford in WFT Plans? He’s Available I think to work out the right approach you have to stand back and look at a few things. When building a SB contender, what has worked elsewhere? For me, there are 3 possible formulae for winning: 1) Find a franchise QB in the draft and build around him. Wherever in the draft doesn't really matter, to me it seems its more important to be able to recognise the talent (like Shanny recognised that RG3 might not hold up and that Cousins was an NFL calibre QB). Pats (TB), Packers (RA), Chiefs (PM), Seahawks (RW) etc. are winners that fit in this category (won multiple times in a span or at least multiple appearances) 2) Have a team in largely place that's missing a few key pieces. Often but not necessarily QB. I'd put the '16 Broncos in here (PM), '13 Ravens (Flacco wasn't franchise material, but the missing piece to get them there), possibly the '02 Buccs (added McCardell and Pittman to supplement a great D). Often 1 off wins because the team wasn't built as a unit so pieces fall away the following years. 3) Stars align. Team is already good overall, maybe great at some positions, but somehow it all comes together for the one year. I'd put the '09 Saints and the '17 Eagles in this category. #1 is obviously the way to do it and build a team that will go to multiple SB's in a short span. Chiefs have managed to do it now, and the Pats did it before them. Hard to maintain without some serious cap juggling, but better to achieve sustainable results. But if you're happy with winning an SB every so often, either of the other 2 will work (maybe with a bit of luck). So for me, we're probably in the 2nd category. We could draft in a rookie QB and assuming we get the right one, build around him, but by the time he's ready our D will probably be fragmenting as the cap hits. Of course we could just keep drafting players that slot in, but you need a good personnel team to find the lower round picks and UDFA/cheap FA players that fit that scheme (like the Pats did up to last year). As I don't think we are in that position (KS or no KS), I'd agree that bringing in a veteran QB to drive an O to marry up with our D makes most sense. Maybe we then draft our future Mahomes/Brady/Rodgers in 2-3 years time and move on to building a new team around him. But I'm not convinced RR is our Belichick or Reid capable of doing that. So for me you see there's a window now of 2-3 years to build a championship team and you bring in the pieces to get there. That's why I go after Stafford now. And bring in the likes of Robinson, Samuel or Galloday, draft OL and TE to give him weapons, and patch the gaps on D by drafting CB and LB. If we lose our 1st and a 3rd to bring in Stafford we could do that with the remaining picks. And if we lose out on Stafford, I'd stand pat and hope we can get our QB in the draft. I'm just not wholly convinced we have the talent to spot that guy in the lower rounds, especially if we part ways with KS.

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