Lions postgame

[PorkSkins]

Chico wrote:

McCain has to make that tackle or at the minimum put a shot on him to stop momentum.

It’s infuriating to watch him, Will Jax and Fuller play so inconsistent. We either need a complete rebuild with these 3 or play scheme which allows them to play for their strength.

Concur on both.

MTK wrote:

Totally agree. Tossing a player under the bus is 100% the wrong way to go. JDR is trash. I'm done with that bozo. Ron knows better too. These guys ignored the LB spot so they have nobody to blame but themselves.

+1000

skinsfan69 wrote:

Check that.. St. Juste.. that looks so bad on film. Perhaps he thought Swift dropped the ball.. lol.

You'd hope that's what he thought, lol.

[calia]

They need to play with some urgency. Pretend the football is $1 million and it is yours if you tackle the guy. Dotson said at the beginning of the season that he thinks about the football like it's money, and because he likes money, he goes to get it. And he plays like it. Heck, if that's what motivates, fine by me. Go get it. You literally are making millions to tackle people after all.

Now with the link: https://firstsportz.com/nfl-news-i-l...on-in-the-nfl/

Side note -- I don't recall the last time I was as excited about a WR tandem as McLaurin and Dotson. Explosive. And Samuel has looked good this season so far as well. Really happy where we are with that position.

[Chief X_Phackter]

It's hard to think that there is a better trio out there. And if/when B Rob comes back and we are able to establish a running game, this offense could be pretty potent. Just gotta get that D turned around - so frustrating.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

It's hard to think that there is a better trio out there. And if/when B Rob comes back and we are able to establish a running game, this offense could be pretty potent. Just gotta get that D turned around - so frustrating.

Spot on. Our TE situation isn't bad either, although I think Thomas is still recovering from his injury last year. But Bates has been a very good blocker, and Cole Turner should be back soon -- that's a position that is in decent shape as well. An average D would make this team pretty dangerous.

I still wish they'd find some additional LB help -- Blake Martinez is out there. I see the Giants just signed Jaylon Smith. The dude has his issues, but I have to think he's got more to offer than Mayo, for example. Even incremental improvements in the middle and back end of the the defense would be welcome. As would better coaching/scheme. How we had a top 5 D two years ago is beyond me. Seems like an age.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by calia

Spot on. Our TE situation isn't bad either, although I think Thomas is still recovering from his injury last year. But Bates has been a very good blocker, and Cole Turner should be back soon -- that's a position that is in decent shape as well. An average D would make this team pretty dangerous.

I still wish they'd find some additional LB help -- Blake Martinez is out there. I see the Giants just signed Jaylon Smith. The dude has his issues, but I have to think he's got more to offer than Mayo, for example. Even incremental improvements in the middle and back end of the the defense would be welcome. As would better coaching/scheme. How we had a top 5 D two years ago is beyond me. Seems like an age.

This is why I think it will turn around. Even last year for the second half of the season the D was pretty good - if you take out the stretch against DAL/PHI/DAL when they were decimated by injury/COVID.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

This is why I think it will turn around. Even last year for the second half of the season the D was pretty good - if you take out the stretch against DAL/PHI/DAL when they were decimated by injury/COVID.

I hope you're right. I will say this, whether it is personnel, scheme or a combo of the two, coming out flatfooted like they did last week just can't happen again. They looked lost. I know that happens occasionally even to good teams (e.g., Green Bay and SF in week 1), but for a team trying to turn things around, they need to be hungrier. Again, the Lions serve as a good model here. I think Siriani's Eagles may as well, unfortunately.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by calia

I hope you're right. I will say this, whether it is personnel, scheme or a combo of the two, coming out flatfooted like they did last week just can't happen again. They looked lost. I know that happens occasionally even to good teams (e.g., Green Bay and SF in week 1), but for a team trying to turn things around, they need to be hungrier. Again, the Lions serve as a good model here. I think Siriani's Eagles may as well, unfortunately.

My issue with the Defense is the coaching staff unwillingness to make a change. And they should make a change, since they are running into the same problems from last year. At this point, they should have learned from last year when they refused to move Collins to the Buffalo nickel and make him a hybrid player.

[MTK]

Keep in mind that "top 5" D from 2 years ago got fat on several bottom of the barrel backup QBs. When faced with some real competition they got shredded, like the TB playoff game.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

Keep in mind that "top 5" D from 2 years ago got fat on several bottom of the barrel backup QBs. When faced with some real competition they got shredded, like the TB playoff game.

While that is true, I don't think it takes that much away from what they were able to accomplish that year.

They started slow last year too, but in the second half of the season they only allowed an average of about 16 points per game against T Brady, C Newton, D Carr, J Hurts, T Bridgewater, R Wilson, and D Jones...

The team was not too good from week 14-16, but they had a lot of issues going on during that stretch.

[calia]

All fair points, Matty, but I think we can all agree that they were a moonshot better than what we've seen so far this season. Unless Jax and Det are actually good enough to make deep playoff runs (not sold on that yet), our D cannot be said to have held up all that well. Giving up 58 points in two games is not a good sign.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by calia

All fair points, Matty, but I think we can all agree that they were a moonshot better than what we've seen so far this season. Unless Jax and Det are actually good enough to make deep playoff runs (not sold on that yet), our D cannot be said to have held up all that well. Giving up 58 points in two games is not a good sign.

Maybe we're underselling Jax and Detroit just a bit. Are they going deep into the playoffs? Probably not, but neither will we. They are both probably .500 ish teams at best, like us.

At the end of the day yes, the D is a big concern.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Honestly, they just have to eliminate the big plays and they'll be fine.

Detroit ran 61 plays for 425 yards. They gained 260 yards on 7 of those 61 plays. That means that they only gained 165 yards over the remaining 54 plays.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

Honestly, they just have to eliminate the big plays and they'll be fine.

Detroit ran 61 plays for 425 yards. They gained 260 yards on 7 of those 61 plays. That means that they only gained 165 yards over the remaining 54 plays.

Good gravy -- that's absurd. I had read that we've given up more 20+ and 40+ yard plays than anyone else this season, but those numbers are insane. So on 7 plays they averaged 37 years per play, and on the remaining 54 plays, they averaged 3 yards per play. Yikes.

[sdskinsfan2001]

How our defense communicates under JDR:

[calia]

Originally Posted by sdskinsfan2001

How our defense communicates under JDR:

Higher tech than I thought -- I was thinking smoke signals or passenger pigeons.