Time to bench Brunell? (Mega Man Merge)

ArtMonkDrillz · 09-18-2006, 08:29 AM

I am a little upset at Gibbs for sticking by Brunell (who I place the most amount of blame on). Gibbs seems to be sticking by him for personal reasons because he obviously can't get it done on the field at this point. I haven't looked over the stats yet, but I can't imagine many more teams throw the ball to their RB more than we did, but I really don't think that was by design.

The entire offense seemed to be exactly the same as last year, but with less pulling by the o-linemen. I feel like Saunders is useless at this point, but it's probably way to early to say that.

The loss of Portis is really killing us, and not just because Betts and Duckett seem to look for a big group of people to run into rather than looking for a hole. Portis would have been really helpful in pass protection last night. I would be more than happy to trade Betts for just about anyone else at any position.

And last but not least: what's the deal with Cooley? Does he even care about the game anymore? I feel like there was a play at one point (and I'm not talking about the INT) when Cooley was being covered by Williams. Williams overran the pass but Cooley seemed to jump up and bat the ball down rather than try to catch it. I think the only catch that I remember him making was in trash time.

Basically I'm just really pissed today and it's going to take all the patients I have to act like I don't care and not punch the loudmouth cowboys fan in my office in the face.

ArtMonkDrillz · 09-18-2006, 08:31 AM

#56, I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I know exactly which 3rd down play you're talking about and my dad and I were saying the same thing last night. We have a 275lbs FB and a 255lbs RB; why not pound the ball? That was just another costly 3 and out.

jbcjr14 · 09-18-2006, 08:42 AM

Right now this team is amongst the worst in the league. The defense is in the bottom 1/3 and kills itself with bad penalties and 3rd downs. The offense is inept as Dallas did exactly what they had to do, played nickel all night and took away the pass. One thing I noticed with our defense vs theirs was they consistently get pressure from their front 3 or 4, and we couldn't get their at ALL with our front 4 against a very suspect offensive line. I do believe not having Springs and Prileau are really hindering what GW can call at this point.

I think this team can turn it around. The talent is there. With that being said, if they would lose or win poorly in Houston this week its time to put the kid in. I just saw way too much happy feet and poor throws by MB the last two weeks...

onlydarksets · 09-18-2006, 08:49 AM

I'll say it again - if we tackle, we are in the game. Our inability to tackle on D is inexcusable. That said, our offense looked like crap as well. I put 75% of that on Saunders/Gibbs playcalling. I put the other 25% on Brunell not putting the ball where it needed to be. He had Cooley wide open on one route, and couldn't get the ball within 5 yards of him.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-18-2006, 09:20 AM

I don't care how bad the offensive line is. As a QB with that many weapons, you should be able to throw a 5-yard hitch. Brunell couldn't throw squat. Brunell underthrew, overthrew, made poor decisions. Sure the O-line had a bad night (particularly Jansen, who looked like a rookie), but Brunell IS a major source of our woes.

warriorzpath · 09-18-2006, 11:45 AM

since qb plays a big role on the field for the offense, i'd say that brunell shares a lot of the blame. And since the defense isn't strong enough to cover up the offensive ineptness this year, it is more visible (o ineptness) and brunell's lack of playmaking skills is more visible.

does brunell not trust the wideouts to fight for the ball when it is thrown their way for a long pass ? does he seem too content with a 3 and out series ?

Either way, he is playing way too safe when given the opportunity. You have to risk something to gain something.

SmootSmack · 09-18-2006, 11:46 AM

We haven't won a single game since we let Ramsey, LaVar, and Jacobs go...that's all I'm sayin'.

hurrykaine · 09-18-2006, 11:48 AM

Let's forgive this loss. Did anyone honestly believe we could beat Dallas without Portis playing? Did you think Ladell "I'll go down at the slightest trip" Betts was going to run riot over the Cowboy defense?

If Brunell stinks it up against Houston like he did in the Cleveland game of 2004, then there is a legitimate case to bench him.

I see no reason to give up on the season until about week 7, if at which point we're 2-5 or worse, then its over.

DaveyFoSho · 09-18-2006, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by hurrykaine

Let's forgive this loss. Did anyone honestly believe we could beat Dallas without Portis playing? Did you think Ladell "I'll go down at the slightest trip" Betts was going to run riot over the Cowboy defense?

If Brunell stinks it up against Houston like he did in the Cleveland game of 2004, then there is a legitimate case to bench him.

I see no reason to give up on the season until about week 7, if at which point we're 2-5 or worse, then its over.

5-6.......10-6..........never give up!!!

RobH4413 · 09-18-2006, 12:23 PM

I know it's not as cut and dry as this but:

Two HUGE problems on offense were poor O-line performance and poor QB performance.

Jason Campbell is more mobile and probably a better Quarterback physically then Brunell... and that's the problem. Brunells balls quack... they no longer get there. I can also remember several times when Brunell decided not to step in the pocket and instead half-ass scramble and fall down. Physically Brunell cannot play in the NFL anymore. I'm sorry.

If we put in a more mobile Quarterback who can get the Ball downfield... WE CAN LET OUR PLAYERS MAKE PLAYS. Santana Moss had what 1 catch in the first three quarters? In-excusable... I think Saunders is afraid of utilizing Brunell to go downfield.. and it looks sloppy.

Campbell may not be the Cure-all, but he probably is an improvement.

DaveyFoSho · 09-18-2006, 12:13 PM

i wonder how many completely shitty offensive performances its going to take before gibbs calls the shots again!!

GTripp0012 · 09-18-2006, 12:22 PM

The time to go with Campbell is the point on which you give up on the season. You want to give him ample chance to succeed, and if the expectations are Super Bowl, he will likely fail. If it's about winning games, he has a better chance to succeed.

As long as we are playing for the playoffs, I want no. 8 back there.

redskinsfanatic · 09-18-2006, 01:55 PM

not brunnell's fault,he did play badly though.the guy had no protection last night,and the defense could'nt have tackled me last night,and i'm over 40 and
missing 6 discs in my back!wt hell is the defense??????

VTSkins897 · 09-18-2006, 02:02 PM

brunell is our biggest problem in my mind. yeah we're hurting in some others areas (DB) but it all starts there i think. the defense has played rather poorly but it'd be nice to give them some rest.

they actually started to do okay in the second half and ST i thought might spark them but....... shit no. in my mind we're gonna possibly need a look at QB after this week pending the outcome. it's really hard to say right now.

illdefined · 09-18-2006, 02:04 PM

Ladell sucked as a runner, and as a blocker. wiped out our ground dimension then we had to pass, couldn't stop a blitzer.

T.J. sucked too, but i'll give him slack time because he's new. and at least when HE runs straight smack into somebody like Ladell does, he may actually get some positive yardage.

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09-18-2006, 08:29 AM	#1
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 43 Posts: 8,029	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I am a little upset at Gibbs for sticking by Brunell (who I place the most amount of blame on). Gibbs seems to be sticking by him for personal reasons because he obviously can't get it done on the field at this point. I haven't looked over the stats yet, but I can't imagine many more teams throw the ball to their RB more than we did, but I really don't think that was by design. The entire offense seemed to be exactly the same as last year, but with less pulling by the o-linemen. I feel like Saunders is useless at this point, but it's probably way to early to say that. The loss of Portis is really killing us, and not just because Betts and Duckett seem to look for a big group of people to run into rather than looking for a hole. Portis would have been really helpful in pass protection last night. I would be more than happy to trade Betts for just about anyone else at any position. And last but not least: what's the deal with Cooley? Does he even care about the game anymore? I feel like there was a play at one point (and I'm not talking about the INT) when Cooley was being covered by Williams. Williams overran the pass but Cooley seemed to jump up and bat the ball down rather than try to catch it. I think the only catch that I remember him making was in trash time. Basically I'm just really pissed today and it's going to take all the patients I have to act like I don't care and not punch the loudmouth cowboys fan in my office in the face. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

09-18-2006, 08:31 AM	#2
ArtMonkDrillz Franchise Player Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ellicott City, MD Age: 43 Posts: 8,029	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? #56, I couldn't agree more with everything you said. I know exactly which 3rd down play you're talking about and my dad and I were saying the same thing last night. We have a 275lbs FB and a 255lbs RB; why not pound the ball? That was just another costly 3 and out. __________________ "Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man." The Dude

09-18-2006, 08:42 AM	#3
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 56 Posts: 2,015	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? Right now this team is amongst the worst in the league. The defense is in the bottom 1/3 and kills itself with bad penalties and 3rd downs. The offense is inept as Dallas did exactly what they had to do, played nickel all night and took away the pass. One thing I noticed with our defense vs theirs was they consistently get pressure from their front 3 or 4, and we couldn't get their at ALL with our front 4 against a very suspect offensive line. I do believe not having Springs and Prileau are really hindering what GW can call at this point. I think this team can turn it around. The talent is there. With that being said, if they would lose or win poorly in Houston this week its time to put the kid in. I just saw way too much happy feet and poor throws by MB the last two weeks... __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

09-18-2006, 08:49 AM	#4
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I'll say it again - if we tackle, we are in the game. Our inability to tackle on D is inexcusable. That said, our offense looked like crap as well. I put 75% of that on Saunders/Gibbs playcalling. I put the other 25% on Brunell not putting the ball where it needed to be. He had Cooley wide open on one route, and couldn't get the ball within 5 yards of him. __________________ Stop reading my signature.

09-18-2006, 09:20 AM	#5
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I don't care how bad the offensive line is. As a QB with that many weapons, you should be able to throw a 5-yard hitch. Brunell couldn't throw squat. Brunell underthrew, overthrew, made poor decisions. Sure the O-line had a bad night (particularly Jansen, who looked like a rookie), but Brunell IS a major source of our woes.

09-18-2006, 11:45 AM	#6
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? since qb plays a big role on the field for the offense, i'd say that brunell shares a lot of the blame. And since the defense isn't strong enough to cover up the offensive ineptness this year, it is more visible (o ineptness) and brunell's lack of playmaking skills is more visible. does brunell not trust the wideouts to fight for the ball when it is thrown their way for a long pass ? does he seem too content with a 3 and out series ? Either way, he is playing way too safe when given the opportunity. You have to risk something to gain something.

09-18-2006, 11:46 AM	#7
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? We haven't won a single game since we let Ramsey, LaVar, and Jacobs go...that's all I'm sayin'. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

09-18-2006, 11:48 AM	#8
hurrykaine Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Washington, D.C. Age: 53 Posts: 762	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? Let's forgive this loss. Did anyone honestly believe we could beat Dallas without Portis playing? Did you think Ladell "I'll go down at the slightest trip" Betts was going to run riot over the Cowboy defense? If Brunell stinks it up against Houston like he did in the Cleveland game of 2004, then there is a legitimate case to bench him. I see no reason to give up on the season until about week 7, if at which point we're 2-5 or worse, then its over.

09-18-2006, 12:23 PM	#10
RobH4413 Wildcard Bitches Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 41 Posts: 2,638	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? I know it's not as cut and dry as this but: Two HUGE problems on offense were poor O-line performance and poor QB performance. Jason Campbell is more mobile and probably a better Quarterback physically then Brunell... and that's the problem. Brunells balls quack... they no longer get there. I can also remember several times when Brunell decided not to step in the pocket and instead half-ass scramble and fall down. Physically Brunell cannot play in the NFL anymore. I'm sorry. If we put in a more mobile Quarterback who can get the Ball downfield... WE CAN LET OUR PLAYERS MAKE PLAYS. Santana Moss had what 1 catch in the first three quarters? In-excusable... I think Saunders is afraid of utilizing Brunell to go downfield.. and it looks sloppy. Campbell may not be the Cure-all, but he probably is an improvement. __________________ This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!

09-18-2006, 12:13 PM	#11
DaveyFoSho Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Potomac, MD Age: 39 Posts: 304	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? i wonder how many completely shitty offensive performances its going to take before gibbs calls the shots again!! __________________ DaveyFoSho

09-18-2006, 12:22 PM	#12
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? The time to go with Campbell is the point on which you give up on the season. You want to give him ample chance to succeed, and if the expectations are Super Bowl, he will likely fail. If it's about winning games, he has a better chance to succeed. As long as we are playing for the playoffs, I want no. 8 back there.

09-18-2006, 01:55 PM	#13
redskinsfanatic Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 542	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? not brunnell's fault,he did play badly though.the guy had no protection last night,and the defense could'nt have tackled me last night,and i'm over 40 and missing 6 discs in my back!wt hell is the defense??????

09-18-2006, 02:02 PM	#14
VTSkins897 Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 43 Posts: 890	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? brunell is our biggest problem in my mind. yeah we're hurting in some others areas (DB) but it all starts there i think. the defense has played rather poorly but it'd be nice to give them some rest. they actually started to do okay in the second half and ST i thought might spark them but....... shit no. in my mind we're gonna possibly need a look at QB after this week pending the outcome. it's really hard to say right now.

09-18-2006, 02:04 PM	#15
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 50 Posts: 2,631	Re: Brunell Solely Responsible for Loss? Ladell sucked as a runner, and as a blocker. wiped out our ground dimension then we had to pass, couldn't stop a blitzer. T.J. sucked too, but i'll give him slack time because he's new. and at least when HE runs straight smack into somebody like Ladell does, he may actually get some positive yardage. __________________ a fan. not a cheerleader.

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