Gun Restrictions and Your Rights

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

What I feel you fail to understand SGG is that you feel this world is filled for the most part with pretty swell individuals, you haven't come to the realization yet that we live in a very evil world with people and nations who are willing to die to have the privledge of killing others.

I would like to know throughout all the dictatorships in this world, N. Korea, China, Cuba, Iran, and so forth, knowing how oppresive they are, how many have a fully armed population? My guess would be none. Yet in maybe the least oppresive country in the world we are the most armed as a far as the citizenship is concerned. Coincidence? I think not!

Okay offiss, you sucked me back in.

#1. I don't feel the world is filled with pretty swell individuals, which is precisely why I don't think most people should have access to weapons. You, on the other hand, seem to think that most people are swell and trustworthy enough to own firearms. So, I'm not sure who hasn't come to the right "realization" or to work out their logic.

#2. I am not sure why people think our nation would turn into China, Iran, Cuba, etc. without guns. The idea that Clinton, Bush and other politicians are just waiting for the opportunity to storm the Jedi Temple and kill all the younglings is a little far-fetched and paranoid IMO. That notion is about 1mm from the extremist conspiracy plot that the UN is secretly planning to invade the US. I simply don't buy the notion that several fat guys who play war on the weekends in funny clothes are the linchpin of our democracy and, without them, the evil government would turn us into Nazi Germany.

#3. I still have yet to hear anyone quibble with my basic premise that getting rid of all guns would be good. The only thing I hear people say is that you cannot get rid of all guns. And, as I previously mentioned, I think it would not be as difficult to get rid of the vast majority of guns as people think.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Okay offiss, you sucked me back in.

#1. I don't feel the world is filled with pretty swell individuals, which is precisely why I don't think most people should have access to weapons. You, on the other hand, seem to think that most people are swell and trustworthy enough to own firearms. So, I'm not sure who hasn't come to the right "realization" or to work out their logic.

#2. I am not sure why people think our nation would turn into China, Iran, Cuba, etc. without guns. The idea that Clinton, Bush and other politicians are just waiting for the opportunity to storm the Jedi Temple and kill all the younglings is a little far-fetched and paranoid IMO. That notion is about 1mm from the extremist conspiracy plot that the UN is secretly planning to invade the US. I simply don't buy the notion that several fat guys who play war on the weekends in funny clothes are the linchpin of our democracy and, without them, the evil government would turn us into Nazi Germany.

#3. I still have yet to hear anyone quibble with my basic premise that getting rid of all guns would be good. The only thing I hear people say is that you cannot get rid of all guns. And, as I previously mentioned, I think it would not be as difficult to get rid of the vast majority of guns as people think.

Maybe when you figure out how to get rid of drugs first, people will listen to your theory about getting rid of guns, let me ask you, how would you plan to get rid of all these guns? Are you just going to tell people to do it? Or are you going to force them to do it? And if it's the later by what means would you force them??????????

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by offiss

Maybe when you figure out how to get rid of drugs first, people will listen to your theory about getting rid of guns, let me ask you, how would you plan to get rid of all these guns? Are you just going to tell people to do it? Or are you going to force them to do it? And if it's the later by what means would you force them??????????

I think it would be very difficult, but not impossible. But regardless of the feasibility of a weapons ban, I certainly don't think loosening gun laws and increasing gun ownership is the smart thing. I'll leave it at that.

[Bushead]

Supply and Demand; busting out micro econ!

SGG does have a point. This would mean only rich people would be able to access guns and, in turn, be able to "defend" themselves.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I've got to ask this one again Beems. So, you don't take issue with our central premise (e.g., that in a perfect world guns would be banned). Rather, you believe that it is impossible to get firearms out of circulation?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I've got to ask this one again Beems. So, you don't take issue with our central premise (e.g., that in a perfect world guns would be banned). Rather, you believe that it is impossible to get firearms out of circulation?

Would the world be a better place without the need for firearms? Of course.

What if there were no evil, no bad people? No disease? Complete world peace? Yes, all these things would be fantastic. But that's utopia, fantasyland. We don't live in that world.

And no, I don't believe it would be possible to completely remove guns from circulation -- even if it were possible, which I dispute, don't you think enterprising individuals would come up with a weapon of some sort for defense? Nature abhors a vaccuum. Human spirit and ingenuity would prevail and there will only be some other form of destruction to contend with.

Did we not learn anything from the prohibition of alcohol? Are we currently not learning anything from illegal drugs?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I saw that too Bush. Like all of Friedman's stuff, it was an interesting (and scary) documentary.

[Bushead]

I've seen all of his reports. I think they are really really good reporting and shows many sides of the story. He doesn't editoralize that much and its just insightful. Love him.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Bushead

I've seen all of his reports. I think they are really really good reporting and shows many sides of the story. He doesn't editoralize that much and its just insightful. Love him.

Yeah, he is definately curious and doesn't try to browbeat you into thinking a particular way. With regard to most Middle Eastern issues he definately tries to present both sides of the story. That he is Jewish and still able to maintain a high degree of independence on matters concerning Israel says a lot about his journalistic integrity.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

You make some good points Beems, but we simply differ. It's clear that I'm "stuck" in my beliefs and you in yours. I can't see either of us persuading the other to reconsider our beliefs, so I'm just going to leave it alone. It was a fun discussion though.

[KLHJ2]

This is a tragic story. I am a firearm lover. Gentlemen, make sure that you have an intruder before you fire a shot in the dark.

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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Angry

This is a tragic story. I am a firearm lover. Gentlemen, make sure that you have an intruder before you fire a shot in the dark.

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My daughter is living with my parents for a couple of weeks while she is in the process of moving (she is 24). I asked my father to take the rounds out of his gun while she is there. My concern was they have not had anyone else living with them for over 10 years and if she came home late one night would he remember.