Its time for joe to step down.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Nope, it was a great play. The Eagles defense was sending the kitchen sink after Campbell on that play, and the only way we had a chance to score was to hand it to Portis on a draw. If Campbell had dopped back to pass, he would've gotten blown up.

You clearly weren't watching the game if you think the Eagles threw the kitchen sink at Campbell on 3rd and 7. I just replayed that play to be sure that I saw it correctly the first time. They in fact rushed ONLY the front four, with two LB's dropping back after faking blitz. It should not have come to that play if Cooley stays onside the play before, but still a ridiculously conservative call on third and long.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

You clearly weren't watching the game if you think the Eagles threw the kitchen sink at Campbell on 3rd and 7. I just replayed that play to be sure that I saw it correctly the first time. They in fact rushed ONLY the front four, with two LB's dropping back after faking blitz. It should not have come to that play if Cooley stays onside the play before, but still a ridiculously conservative call on third and long.

Those front four were getting through our protection. I did see the play thank you. The linebackers dropped back so there was nowhere to throw the ball to. A draw play at least gave us a chance to score and at least gave us a chip shot field goal. I will take any gain on that play rather than a sack and a loss or worse, Campbell getting hit and fumbling. It was exactly what we should've called on that play.

[rypper11]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

So you don't think that a draw play on 3rd and goal from the 7 is conservative??? The only way you could have played that any safer would be to have Campbell take a knee before the field goal.

Brandon Jacobs scored on a 3rd down draw play inside the 10 today.

[JWsleep]

Ahh, nothing like a good rant thread to make us all feel better!

Losing sucks. And losing to an NFC East team, at home, when we we're winning in the 4th sucks worse. And seeing McNabb hug the Walrus on the sideline was the worst of all. Nasty.

The skins are a team that causes great pain to its fans. The difference in feeling between winning and losing this game is gigantic, given everything else going on.

Here's what I think: no one is going to get fired during the year. No one. We're going to play out the season, and Gibbs himself, as well as his high-paid assistants, will have to seriously look in the mirror and do what's best for the team. I think we're not all that far from being good--close loses in games we've been winning, but for one. Injuries have hurt--that's not an excuse, but a fact. So in appraising things, it should be taken into consideration.

To me, the offense looked good this week, but for the goal line fiasco, and that's encouraging. The D is another story, but I do think the loss of Taylor and Rogers, as wel as Marcus, hurts.

Here's what I'd do if it were my team: keep the staff, if they want to stay, and strengthen the D in draft and FA. Try to get some o-line depth and another--hopefully bigger--WR. And proceed under the assumption that JC will continue to grow, and will be the future for this team. Given that, and an improved D, I think it will come. We can move the ball, and the coaches are getting more confidence in JC--in the no-huddle, JC called the plays. We MUST fix the red zone offense, but that can be done, IMO. I think the D is a few bodies short, especially on the line. We can't dominate the line of scrimmage late, and it shows.

I don't think the fire/tear-down approach will be more fruitful, though it sometimes works. But it sometimes does not, and (apologies to Daseal) our Spurrier experiment is an example of how it can go bad.

[Campbell17]

Originally Posted by redduke44

He doesnt have that killer in his eyes.Keep greg williams,bring in bill cower now ,we are are not going anywhere and thats the fact.Joe gibbs is too soft we should have put them away on that fourthdown call,bump a fieldgoal(and thats putting it nicley).I love joe gibbs like a father but this has went too far for too long.Lets keep it real redskins fans,this game has passed him bye and he knows it and we all know it!Its hard but its fair!

How the hell do you plan to get Gibbs out and Cowher in. Make Gibbs president of the Skins, that's easy, but getting Cowher out of retirement wont be easy. He has everything he wants. He's retired at 48 or whatever age he is, he has a Super Bowl ring, he is well respected as a coach, what more do you need?

[Pocket$ $traight]

Russ Grimm for head coach without a meddling Snyder.

Too bad that is a fantasy....

[skinsfan69]

Personally I'm tired of all the confusion on the sidelines. That's on Gibbs. I mean he called a TO just to kick a FG. WTF was that all about? It's just the same old shit.

[JWsleep]

This is bitch and moan, vent your frustrations by pointless (or brilliant! ) internet arguing. Kind of group therapy, if you ask me.

So, to rant: OUR D GAVE UP 20 4TH QUARTER POINTS!!!!!!!! AT HOME!!!!!!!!! TO THE FRIGGIN IGGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!!!

[DynamiteRave]

I can't believe people are still posting in this thread. It doesn't matter who drinking kool-aid or hater-aid, anyone with a brain knows that Gibbs isn't going anywhere. Do you know how many people would personally try to strangle Danny S. if he tried to get rid of Gibbs? And what kinda idea would people get if Gibbs just stepped down when the going got tough? People would think he's some old bag, who used to be good, and who's now all washed up. (Even though people think that now).

Gibbs isn't going anywhere. He's not retiring, he's not going to get fired. I don't see him leaving before the end of his contract right now. So, it's time to just buckle up and try to enjoy (or bear with) the ride.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I can't believe people are still posting in this thread. It doesn't matter who drinking kool-aid or hater-aid, anyone with a brain knows that Gibbs isn't going anywhere. Do you know how many people would personally try to strangle Danny S. if he tried to get rid of Gibbs? And what kinda idea would people get if Gibbs just stepped down when the going got tough? People would think he's some old bag, who used to be good, and who's now all washed up. (Even though people think that now).

Gibbs isn't going anywhere. He's not retiring, he's not going to get fired. I don't see him leaving before the end of his contract right now. So, it's time to just buckle up and try to enjoy (or bear with) the ride.

Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.

He made the playoffs twice. One 6-10 record in 2004. Also left the team in great shape, much like he did the New England Patriots.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.

Parcells made it twice in four years. And never won a playoff game while in Dallas. Gibbs has made it once in 3 years, won a playoff game. And this year, contrary to popular belief, isn't over yet.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Parcells made it twice in four years. And never won a playoff game while in Dallas. Gibbs has made it once in 3 years, won a playoff game. And this year, contrary to popular belief, isn't over yet.

I understand Parcells never made it in 4 years. Kinda why I was bringing it up. And notice I said "if we continue to play like this," and "if we flounder and go 8-8." Never used the word "when." If we miss the playoffs this year I could see Gibbs stepping down. I have plenty of hope for this year, and I think we're capable of ripping off a few big wins down the stretch. I also see very little reason to be optimistic, and there are plenty of things to criticize.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I understand Parcells never made it in 4 years. Kinda why I was bringing it up. And notice I said "if we continue to play like this," and "if we flounder and go 8-8." Never used the word "when." If we miss the playoffs this year I could see Gibbs stepping down. I have plenty of hope for this year, and I think we're capable of ripping off a few big wins down the stretch. I also see very little reason to be optimistic, and there are plenty of things to criticize.

Yeah I didn't mean to say you specifically have given up on this season. But plenty of people definitely have.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Umm, you're still posting on this thread....

I agree Gibbs isn't going anywhere. For now. But if this kind of crap keeps up, I don't see him staying after this year. If we continue to flounder and finish around 8-8 and miss the playoffs, you have to wonder. I'm getting tired of the same old excuses and same old coach speak. Back in year 2 of Gibbs V2.0, I was tolerant. We're going into week 11 of year 3. I want results. And we're not getting them. 3+ years is an eternity in the NFL. The Parcells experiment in Dallas only lasted 4 years, and he made the playoffs a few times.

Nope. That was just a figment of your imagination.