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If Not Joe, Then Who?

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View Poll Results: If Gibbs Doesn't Return, Who Should Be the Head Coach?
Bill Cowher 60 30.00%
Russ Grimm 45 22.50%
Al Saunders 9 4.50%
Gregg Williams 68 34.00%
Other (tell us who) 18 9.00%
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Old 12-05-2007, 10:59 AM   #1
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Re: If Not Joe, Then Who?

Here are my thoughts on this, first and foremost IF Gibbs decides to leave the sidelines he must move into the front office as GM/President. Snyder should do little more than sign checks. Cerrato must be let go. Gibbs needs to bring in any front office staff he requests. With the position of managing the franchise's long term stability and not worrying about weekly Wins & Losses he will avoid the poor personnel decisions made over the last few years.

Our coaching choice should defintely not be Cowher. He had a good run in Pittsburgh, although not particiularly good in the playoffs. Big name for his second go round, I don't think we should go down that path, plus he will likely want total control. I don't think Russ Grimm should be the choice either. Someone else mentioned us "reaching for links to the glory days" and I agree, we should bring in fresh blood rather than go with Grimm.

I believe it is time for a new Head Coach, a defensive one. I think GW and Saunders are pretty full of themselves and their systems, but it hasn't turned into much sucess nor are we seeing CONSISTENT improvement in the systems. GWs defense has done fairly well statistically, but the second half breakdowns game after game are a major concern and show a major coaching flaw. IMO what this indicates is good preparation going into the game but the ability to "think on your feet" and make in-game adjustments is lacking. I'm also not a big fan of the Cover 2. The only dominant Cover 2 or Tampa 2 defenses that I can recall was the SB Tampa team. That team had great athletes and could generate pressure from the front four. Indy's Cover 2 has played well in spots but prior to the playoffs last year was horrible. We need to make sure our defense is strong, because in late Nov. & December in the NFC East the elements can limit an offense severely and the D must sometimes carry us.

Our offense has also had it's issues with second half adjustments, and the Lloyd and Randel-El acquistions were 100% Saunders fault. Our second half playcalling has been poor at best. If the playcalling is all Saunders then we need to let him go, but if it is a hybrid of Gibbs and Saunders then I believe he should have a year with total offensive control. Prior to coming to DC his offenses were consistently ranked in the top 5 in the NFL. In KC he didn't have any outstanding players other than Gonzalez and the left side of the OL, no great receivers and Priest Holmes was more of a product of the system. So if the current offense is a case of "too many cooks in the kitchen" He should stay on as OC. If he can't accept that then bring in a new OC that the new coach and Gibbs pick.

My opinion would be to bring in a new head coach preferably a successful NFL assistant. Garrett is the hot name out there, but he is a Cowboy and he won't leave Dallas for DC, nor do I want him here. The coach I would like to see is Ron Rivera. He had successful defenses in Chicago from 2004-2006 and you see how they're doing this year without him. He's currently a LB coach in San Diego. He is a 4-3 guy, but is learning the 3-4 from Ted Cotrell. He got shafted in the coaching "merry-go-round" last year. We could bring him in and give Saunders one year of complete control to see if our Offense improves. If so then Saunders stays as OC, if not fire him and bring in a new OC in Rivera's second year.
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:19 AM   #2
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The coach I would like to see is Ron Rivera. He had successful defenses in Chicago from 2004-2006 and you see how they're doing this year without him. He's currently a LB coach in San Diego. He is a 4-3 guy, but is learning the 3-4 from Ted Cotrell. He got shafted in the coaching "merry-go-round" last year. We could bring him in and give Saunders one year of complete control to see if our Offense improves. If so then Saunders stays as OC, if not fire him and bring in a new OC in Rivera's second year.
Ron Rivera is a good choice, so would Mike Singletary now coaching for the Forty Niners.
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:03 PM   #3
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I surely hope Gibbs stays & can leave on a positive note. IF he does leave, let GW step in for continuity's sake.

IF both of these is not an option, I'm all for Russ Grimm. I understand the point about "new blood," but given the time that's lapsed since he was here, he is "new blood" he just has a familiar name. I do agree w/those that say we need a "hungry" coach, no doubt about that. Grimm is eager to prove he's head coach material. If the chance to take him comes up and we need a coach, I would think he's a great candidate at the least.
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:35 PM   #4
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If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.
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If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.
I mentioned him before, I think he's just as good as Garrett. You can't judge him on his team this year or passing on Brady Quinn in the draft. I love the guy, but I don't think the Dolphins will be foolish to let him go.
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If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.
He'd be a solid OC, but I wonder what his view of working for Snyder would be given his close relationship with The Norv. Also, he could probably have a half-dozen offers to be an OC if the Dolphins were to cut him loose and some of those are bound to be more attractive to him than any offer from the Redskins.
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If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.
He's Norv v2.0.. I think if Saunders leaves we need someone who runs the same system as him to keep Campbell in the same offense..

I didn't think about Ron Rivera (someone else mentioned that name earlier in the thread) as a HC.. Him as HC with Saunders still calling the offense could work.. I am over Grilliams at this point.. He's not HC material IMO..
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If Saunders were to leave for any reason, what do you guys think of Cam Cameron as a replacement for him? Assuming Cameron were to be fired by the Dolphins.
Not a lot different than Saunders there.
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Not a lot different than Saunders there.
For the record, I'm not advocating Cameron here. Just saying he's rumored to be fired and he has ties to the team. Was just gauging interest.
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Garrett was brought into Dallas with the assumption he would take over for Phillips. no way he leaves for the giants. Phillips is already in his sixties. and as far as Cowher, i see him coaching Carolina. and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york
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Garrett was brought into Dallas with the assumption he would take over for Phillips. no way he leaves for the giants. Phillips is already in his sixties. and as far as Cowher, i see him coaching Carolina. and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york
If the Cowboys win the SB, they just might beat the Patriots the second time around. Phillips will retire and Garrett will be promoted to HC. There's no way in hell Jerry Jones lets Garrett leave, especially to a rival NFL East team.
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If the Cowboys win the SB, they just might beat the Patriots the second time around. Phillips will retire and Garrett will be promoted to HC. There's no way in hell Jerry Jones lets Garrett leave, especially to a rival NFL East team.
GreenBay beats the Cowboys......in the NFC game.:headbange
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GreenBay beats the Cowboys......in the NFC game.:headbange
No way!! They couldn't even hang with Favre playing before he got hurt, Rodgers made it competitive for a little while.
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" and the redskins job would be much more appealing to him over the giants. too much drama in new york


LOL:yeahright
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If Joe has his say about a successor, I bet it Williams. I was at the game Sunday, we lucked into Section 142, Row 1 tix...right on the 45 yd line behind the bench. At one point it was third and medium. They were in the area of the field where going for it on fourth vs punting has been in vogue in the league lately. While the offense was huddling, Gibbs yelled for Williams to come over. Williams had been jawing with a few defensive players near the bench. Williams almost ran to Gibbs. It was clear that Gibbs was trying to decide what to do if they faced 4th down. As it turned out, the play got a first, and Williams went back to his players. Interesting interaction.

One funny moment...
Suisham and Frost took a seat on the bench, apparently where Brunnell had been sitting. Brunnell had been in what I think is a little bathroom right behind the bench, built into the wall. Looks like a little shed. Brunnell comes out, walks to the bench stands in front of them, smiles, waves his arm and says, "Ok guys. Move." They dutifully got up, and Brunnell sat down.
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