Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As it turns out he wasn't ready to roll and had a bad pre season...even before he got hurt.

I'm not sure what conditioning could have done in regard to his injuries. He got rolled up on in the preseason Panthers game, and he got kicked in the calf which caused the compartment syndrome that needed surgery. Those definitely were not injuries due to lack of conditioning, it was shit luck. A healthy JT is still capable of being a productive player in this league, but it probably won't be here.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but dancing does not get you in football shape. If his head and heart were 100% into football he wouldn't be going on dancing shows. I know I'm in the minority but to me that's just awful.

Its a building process thats why players lift weights, run, do yoga, stretch, etc. It all helps a player be more physically fit which in turn helps them play better football and round themselves into "football shape".

If a guy goes fishing or golfing in the offseason it doesnt mean they are not 100% into football. Everyone needs a mental and physical break.

[DGreene28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Sorry but dancing does not get you in football shape. If his head and heart were 100% into football he wouldn't be going on dancing shows. I know I'm in the minority but to me that's just awful.

Some of the best players have used non traditional methods of getting themselves into shape.
Dancing, yoga-doing football players. - By Neal Pollack - Slate Magazine
It could be said the added flexibility Taylor gained from doing the Pasa Doble this offseason will help him get closer to the ground as he breaks around the LT.

This is a great trade, kudos to the FO for getting it done so expeditiously.

[PSUSkinsFan21]

And another thing.......who the F-- is Bill Parcells to criticize anyone? That's guy's been with more teams than I can even keep track of anymore. He's the biggest whore in the NFL. He's the NFL's Larry Brown. He's going to criticize a guy he barely knows who has been the leader of the Dolphins D for over a decade?.....when Parcells has been a member of the Dolphins organization for what?....a couple of days now? Give me a break.

Trivia: What kind of a hack announces that he's leaving his current team the week before they play in the Super Bowl to coach for another team regardless of what his team does in the Super Bowl to steal the whole Super Bowl spotlight? Answer: Bill Parcells. F-- Parcells any every one of his uninformed, unwarranted, and self-righteous opinions.

[jdlea]

I feel that this is a very good move for the short term. While I wish they had given up a 3 and a 6 I can see why they gave up the 2. It was a move that pretty much had to be made and the Fins knew it just as much as the Skins did. That allowed them to drive up the price.

As for his dancing, that greatly improves one's balance and he has said that it got him into better shape. Also, I'm pretty sure he knows how to get into a 3 point stance, so it's not that big of a deal that he missed OTA's.

I feel like, if he can come in and put up 11 sacks (as he has the last 3 seasons) it will take a lot of the pressure off of a depleted group of corners. This move works on a lot of levels for this team, not the least of which being leadership. Jason Taylor will help lead this team.

Finally, I was a little critical of the team for taking Fred Davis over Quentin Groves in the 2nd round of the draft. If you asked me if I'd rather have Groves or Davis and Taylor, that choice is obvious. This move gets my approval all day.

[BleedBurgundy]

anybody know of any good Dolphins boards? I'm curious what their fans' perspective is on this trade. Do they think "thank God, somebody actually gave us a 2nd for this guy" or is it more of a "I can't believe they got rid of Taylor?"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

anybody know of any good Dolphins boards? I'm curious what their fans' perspective is on this trade. Do they think "thank God, somebody actually gave us a 2nd for this guy" or is it more of a "I can't believe they got rid of Taylor?"

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I think their fans are split. Some think he was worth more than a 2nd, while some are just happy it's over and they got something of value for him since the writing was on the wall that Parcells wanted him gone. Overall though you can't be happy to lose a guy of his caliber and someone that meant so much to them for so long.

[TheSmurfs22]

When I signed on yesterday and saw that Jason Taylor had been traded I did not think it would be to the Redskins. Once I opened the link to the story I was pleasantly surprised. I am not jazzed that we gave up a second rounder but the Skins had to act quick considering the events of yesterday. I applaud them for that and for getting Taylor in early enough that he has time to work with the defensive unit.

[hesscl34]

6'6 255lbs.... good grief! I thought Andre Carter was big!!!

[724Skinsfan]

From the Sporting News article (you might want to get a Kleenex before reading:

2. Jason Taylor, Washington Redskins: Taylor will continue to be a force with his new team in 2008. He has played in numerous schemes, handling a multitude of responsibilities. The NFL's defensive player of the year a mere two seasons ago, Taylor is best known for his pass rush. But he is a gifted and versatile athlete who continues to show great quickness and athleticism late in his career, and plays with the motor of an undrafted rookie.

[skinsnut]

Here are my thoughts

1. We paid too much with a 2nd and a 6th....I dont know what that amounts too by draft points...but its probably close to a low 1st for 2 years max.

2. The other problem with giving up a 1st day pick is this....that was the pick we needed for a long term DE...yes, you can say we can do this with our 1st...but cmon....we need a CB and those go high...we also need DT and Oline pretty bad...not to mention LB's.

3. I am now concerned about running D...Daniels was no sack master...but he sure did well against the run....perhaps evans can help out but do you really want AC or JT on the bench?....what we need now is a STUD DT and a solid OLB to cover for Griffen and Rocky....to me...the needs just went up there.

4. Looking back a couple years, we had ZERO pass rushing...then we got AC...who initially looked weak.....now....we have 4 pass rushing specialists at the DE position (Carter, Taylor, Wilson, EJames, not to mention MWashington at LB)
This means our weakness is now stopping the run...we will have to do that with DT's and LB's almost exclusively....say what you want about Daniels...but he played DT and DE....and that is a great 2 for 1 deal...we still need to replace him.

5 This one really pisses me off.....our training staff.....last year we lost tons of guys for cramps and muscle pulls...injuries attributable to hydration and stretching.....NOW we lose 2 guys that arguably could have been avoided if they were loosened up more.
I dont blame the training staff....but...this is definately a trend that has not stopped which almost killed our season last year.

6 I love the fact that JT did that dancing thing....why? because he is flexible and has zero body fat...that means he's fit and unlikely to suffer bogus "freak" non contact injuries.

Even though the cons include a weaker run d and a loss of a very valuable 2nd rounder, I hesitantly approve due to the fact that there was NO ALTERNATIVE.
But I am still pissed at the training staff for sucking so bad.

[irish]

Any Skins fan should know that the Skins do not worry about giving away draft picks and developing their own depth. Like I said in a previous post I wish they had a player they drafted ready to step in but its not how the Skins do things. I doubt this philosophy will change anytime soon.

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Here are my thoughts

1. We paid too much with a 2nd and a 6th....I dont know what that amounts too by draft points...but its probably close to a low 1st for 2 years max.

2. The other problem with giving up a 1st day pick is this....that was the pick we needed for a long term DE...yes, you can say we can do this with our 1st...but cmon....we need a CB and those go high...we also need DT and Oline pretty bad...not to mention LB's.

3. I am now concerned about running D...Daniels was no sack master...but he sure did well against the run....perhaps evans can help out but do you really want AC or JT on the bench?....what we need now is a STUD DT and a solid OLB to cover for Griffen and Rocky....to me...the needs just went up there.

4. Looking back a couple years, we had ZERO pass rushing...then we got AC...who initially looked weak.....now....we have 4 pass rushing specialists at the DE position (Carter, Taylor, Wilson, EJames, not to mention MWashington at LB)
This means our weakness is now stopping the run...we will have to do that with DT's and LB's almost exclusively....say what you want about Daniels...but he played DT and DE....and that is a great 2 for 1 deal...we still need to replace him.

5 This one really pisses me off.....our training staff.....last year we lost tons of guys for cramps and muscle pulls...injuries attributable to hydration and stretching.....NOW we lose 2 guys that arguably could have been avoided if they were loosened up more.
I dont blame the training staff....but...this is definately a trend that has not stopped which almost killed our season last year.

6 I love the fact that JT did that dancing thing....why? because he is flexible and has zero body fat...that means he's fit and unlikely to suffer bogus "freak" non contact injuries.

Even though the cons include a weaker run d and a loss of a very valuable 2nd rounder, I hesitantly approve due to the fact that there was NO ALTERNATIVE.
But I am still pissed at the training staff for sucking so bad.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Here are my thoughts

1. We paid too much with a 2nd and a 6th....I dont know what that amounts too by draft points...but its probably close to a low 1st for 2 years max.

2. The other problem with giving up a 1st day pick is this....that was the pick we needed for a long term DE...yes, you can say we can do this with our 1st...but cmon....we need a CB and those go high...we also need DT and Oline pretty bad...not to mention LB's.

3. I am now concerned about running D...Daniels was no sack master...but he sure did well against the run....perhaps evans can help out but do you really want AC or JT on the bench?....what we need now is a STUD DT and a solid OLB to cover for Griffen and Rocky....to me...the needs just went up there.

4. Looking back a couple years, we had ZERO pass rushing...then we got AC...who initially looked weak.....now....we have 4 pass rushing specialists at the DE position (Carter, Taylor, Wilson, EJames, not to mention MWashington at LB)
This means our weakness is now stopping the run...we will have to do that with DT's and LB's almost exclusively....say what you want about Daniels...but he played DT and DE....and that is a great 2 for 1 deal...we still need to replace him.

5 This one really pisses me off.....our training staff.....last year we lost tons of guys for cramps and muscle pulls...injuries attributable to hydration and stretching.....NOW we lose 2 guys that arguably could have been avoided if they were loosened up more.
I dont blame the training staff....but...this is definately a trend that has not stopped which almost killed our season last year.

6 I love the fact that JT did that dancing thing....why? because he is flexible and has zero body fat...that means he's fit and unlikely to suffer bogus "freak" non contact injuries.

Even though the cons include a weaker run d and a loss of a very valuable 2nd rounder, I hesitantly approve due to the fact that there was NO ALTERNATIVE.
But I am still pissed at the training staff for sucking so bad.

With a good season that #2 pick could be a mid to lower round 2nd. As for the 6th who cares, that's a toss in.

Daniels got tangled up and landed awkwardly on his knee... not sure what stretching could have done to avoid that. Shit like that happens all the time.

As for Buzbee I'm not sure how he got hurt exactly but again, I'm not sure what amount of stretching can do to prevent a blown out achilles.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

With a good season that #2 pick could be a mid to lower round 2nd. As for the 6th who cares, that's a toss in.

Daniels got tangled up and landed awkwardly on his knee... not sure what stretching could have done to avoid that. Shit like that happens all the time.

As for Buzbee I'm not sure how he got hurt exactly but again, I'm not sure what amount of stretching can do to prevent a blown out achilles.

Great points, I was about to respond with the same exact thing..

For all of the naysayers, what else would you have preferred the Redskins to do?

1. Go into the season with Demetric Evans as your starting DE? He's been in the league for 6 years, if he was a starting caliber player-he'd be starting!

2. Sign a street free agent? Simeon Rice is the best available, but there again, there's a reason why these guys are on the street in late July.

3. Wait for Erasmus James? This would be a bigger gamble than trading away picks. He's never been healthy and when he was healthy he wasn't a world beater. If he's able to add something to the defense, that's a bonus-but it would be irresponsible for the FO to count on that happening and wait to see how it played out.

I won't argue with those who say DE should have been addressed in the draft because there's nothing that can be done about it now.. We made the best move for our scenario, getting a better all around player who is 18 months YOUNGER than the player he replaced!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Great points, I was about to respond with the same exact thing..

For all of the naysayers, what else would you have preferred the Redskins to do?

1. Go into the season with Demetric Evans as your starting DE? He's been in the league for 6 years, if he was a starting caliber player-he'd be starting!

2. Sign a street free agent? Simeon Rice is the best available, but there again, there's a reason why these guys are on the street in late July.

3. Wait for Erasmus James? This would be a bigger gamble than trading away picks. He's never been healthy and when he was healthy he wasn't a world beater. If he's able to add something to the defense, that's a bonus-but it would be irresponsible for the FO to count on that happening and wait to see how it played out.

I won't argue with those who say DE should have been addressed in the draft because there's nothing that can be done about it now.. We made the best move for our scenario, getting a better all around player who is 18 months YOUNGER than the player he replaced!

I agree, there's nothing we can do to change the draft now so there's no sense in crying about it.

At least we had the cap room to pull this move off.