If You Ran the Redskins...

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-23-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steveb

we need cassel from n.e. campbell needs to go. the skill level just isn't there.

Cassel would be just as bad in a WCO as campbell is. The system needs to go or Campbell needs to go. heck, maybe they both need to go, but they both cant stay. thats for sure.

PurpEagle_AUTiger · 12-25-2008, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What steps would you take between now and opening day 2009 to improve this team?

I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...

We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player...

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RMSkins · 12-25-2008, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurpEagle_AUTiger

I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...

We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player...

...

This is probably one of the greatest ideas that I have ever heard.

MTK · 12-26-2008, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by PurpEagle_AUTiger

I would introduce them to 10 Individuals who live in the DC Metro area and who are die-hard skins fans...

We will then give Dan Snyder $1k each... And yell, scream, and curse at EVERY member of the Redskins organization for 1 hour per IMPORTANT person/player...

...

Ok, so after your little crybaby display, what would you do to actually fix the problems?

PurpEagle_AUTiger · 12-26-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ok, so after your little crybaby display, what would you do to actually fix the problems?

I will pay an additional $20k to Dan Snyder...

Put on Shoulder pads, helmet, and jockstrap... And join the squad...

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Then Buy more LOCKER ROOM YELLING/CURSING tokens...

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KLHJ2 · 12-26-2008, 11:37 AM

I would be rich and not be participating in this conversation.

GoSkins! · 12-26-2008, 05:31 PM

I'd meet up with Vinny C and tell him that, while I value his friendship, he has 2 more years to prove he is worthy of the GM job. Fail at it and he will be demoted.
Jim Zorn, see #1
Tell Zorn he needs to hire an experienced OC. We tried the no experience thing with Spurrier. It doesn't work.
Demand young, first round talent at OT for next season through draft or free agency.
Same for DT.
Try to restructure Springs, Taylor, Washington. Keep them if there is any way possible until there is a suitable replacement in house. Taylor would be the top priority. Springs should split his time as a FS so that Landry can blitz (Landry is our most effective blitzer). Retaining 2 of the 3 would be a very nice luxury.
Sign Hall and lock up Rogers for a few more years. Go after another premier CB in free agency (wish list = Asomugha, Nnamdi) in case other guys on team don't re-sign.
Re-sign Evans, Montgomery, and Daniels. Philip will need to take a pay cut and can rotate into a DT position on passing downs.
Draft a LB with the third round pick.
Sign a WR experienced in Zorn's WCO, hand picked by Zorn. Tell Zorn this, along with #4, ends his excuses for the offense not making yards through the air because of "lack of execution".
Re-sign Kendall, knees and all, and make Jansen the primary backup to every OL position (except LT). Also, make Jansen compete for a starting position at center.
Sign or draft a big, bruising, tailback that can get a tough yard every time. Run him behind Sellars on short yardage.

drew54 · 12-26-2008, 11:41 PM

In no particular order:

OL Drafted in the first round must start. Would like LT, move Samuels to RT
Henry Ellard for WR coach.
Draft DT that can contribute in third round.
Re-sign Hall, Montgomery, Golston, Evans, Albright,
Solve kicker/punter problems
Sign free agents for depth, not starters. This is better for the cap, and we don't need starters, we need improvement from our young guys, and our injured guys to get healthy.
Draft best player available at LB, DT, and OL with remaining picks.
Be patient.

Sonny9TD · 12-27-2008, 08:18 AM

Get rid of Campbell.

BrunellMVP? · 12-29-2008, 03:22 PM

fire vinny, give parcells a blank check.

These are the players he's assembled.

50 wins

62 losses

2 playoff first round losses

top 3 in league payroll every year.

I'm not sure where we can locate free agent signings/trades to see how much we've paid to people...net, net is horrible as well (esp. considering the forgone picks)

Deon sanders, bruce smith, adam archuleta, marcus washington, santana moss, randel el, brandon lloyd, casey rabach, randy thomas, pete kendall, jason taylor, tj duckett,

Vinny's Draft Record Since he's been GM:

2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER.

2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover.

2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds)

2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks)

2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise.

2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd.

2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more.
2008 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA
2007 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan
2006 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee
2005 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel
2004 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame
2003 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
2002 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa
3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee
5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State
6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee
7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA
7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton
7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State

Paintrain · 12-30-2008, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

fire vinny, give parcells a blank check.

These are the players he's assembled.

50 wins

62 losses

2 playoff first round losses

top 3 in league payroll every year.

I'm not sure where we can locate free agent signings/trades to see how much we've paid to people...net, net is horrible as well (esp. considering the forgone picks)

Deon sanders, bruce smith, adam archuleta, marcus washington, santana moss, randel el, brandon lloyd, casey rabach, randy thomas, pete kendall, jason taylor, tj duckett,

Vinny's Draft Record Since he's been GM:

2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER.

2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover.

2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds)

2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks)

2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise.

2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd.

2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more.
2008 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State
2 48 Fred Davis TE USC
2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma
3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa
4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State
6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech
6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State
6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii
7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State
7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA
2007 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State
5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC
6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh
6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso
7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan
2006 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.)
5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota
6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado
6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia
7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona
7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee
2005 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn
1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn
4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA
5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville
6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford
7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel
2004 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.)
3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State
5 151 Mark Wilson T California
6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame
2003 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana
2002 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position School
1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane
2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa
3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon
3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah
5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee
5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State
6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee
7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA
7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton
7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State

Wow, when you look at the drafts he's been involved in, it truly is frightening how poorly they've drafted this decade. While I will always root for the Redskins to win, it may not be such a bad thing to have a 2-14 or 4-12 clunker next year so Danny has to clean house and get a real football guy in there!

30gut · 12-30-2008, 10:10 PM

Hire this guy:Larry Kirksey
DenverBroncos.com – Official Website Of The Denver Broncos

He might be available since the Broncos fired Shanahan

Larry Kirksey enters his second year as the wide receivers coach for the Texans. He brings over a decade of experience to coaching wide receivers. He has coached three receivers, Jerry Rice (1,549), Jimmy Smith (862) and Terrell Owens (801), that have over 800 receptions in their career.

In his first year with the Texans, Kirksey oversaw a group that had three players top 700 receiving yards, making Houston one of just four teams to achieve that feat. The unit’s depth was tested when two-time Pro Bowl WR Andre Johnson missed seven games due to injury, but fellow receivers Kevin Walter and André Davis stepped up to fill the void. Walter set career highs in receptions, with 65, yards, with 800, and touchdowns, with four. His 65 catches led the team and he was second in receiving yards. Davis emerged as one of the best deep threats in the NFL, averaging nearly 18 yards per catch. Despite playing in just nine games, Johnson once again led the team in receiving yards, with 851, and touchdowns, with eight. Houston’s all-time leading receiver led all NFL receivers with an average of 94.6 yards per game.

GMScud · 12-30-2008, 10:53 PM

Since Albert Haynesworth made the pro-bowl, per a clause in his contract, he cannot be franchised by the Titans (good move by his agent). ESPN is reporting he and the Titans are engaged in contract negotiations.

I fully expect the Titans to lucratively retain the cornerstone of their bad ass defense.

MTK · 12-30-2008, 12:07 PM

I think Zorn did some nice things with JC this year. I don't see the need for a new QB coach.

tryfuhl · 12-30-2008, 12:11 PM

for all of the Cowher guys:

ESPN - Sources: Bill Cowher won't interview for New York Jets job

"Former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who rejected a chance to become head coach of the Browns last weekend, is not going to interview for the head coaching position of the New York Jets, according to multiple sources.

Cowher, according to a source, has been contacted by the Jets. Although he is interested in the Jets job, he told the team he would not be a candidate because he would like to bring in his own personnel director. Jets owner Woody Johnson plans to keep Mike Tannenbaum as his general manager after firing Eric Mangini as head coach Monday.

With Tannenbaum as the general manager, Cowher is willing to pass on the Jets opportunity, stay in broadcasting for another year and wait to return to coaching in 2010. "

12-26-2008, 11:37 AM	#6
KLHJ2 Inactive Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: DC Metro Area Age: 48 Posts: 5,829	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... I would be rich and not be participating in this conversation.

12-26-2008, 05:31 PM	#7
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 57 Posts: 1,587	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... I'd meet up with Vinny C and tell him that, while I value his friendship, he has 2 more years to prove he is worthy of the GM job. Fail at it and he will be demoted. Jim Zorn, see #1 Tell Zorn he needs to hire an experienced OC. We tried the no experience thing with Spurrier. It doesn't work. Demand young, first round talent at OT for next season through draft or free agency. Same for DT. Try to restructure Springs, Taylor, Washington. Keep them if there is any way possible until there is a suitable replacement in house. Taylor would be the top priority. Springs should split his time as a FS so that Landry can blitz (Landry is our most effective blitzer). Retaining 2 of the 3 would be a very nice luxury. Sign Hall and lock up Rogers for a few more years. Go after another premier CB in free agency (wish list = Asomugha, Nnamdi) in case other guys on team don't re-sign. Re-sign Evans, Montgomery, and Daniels. Philip will need to take a pay cut and can rotate into a DT position on passing downs. Draft a LB with the third round pick. Sign a WR experienced in Zorn's WCO, hand picked by Zorn. Tell Zorn this, along with #4, ends his excuses for the offense not making yards through the air because of "lack of execution". Re-sign Kendall, knees and all, and make Jansen the primary backup to every OL position (except LT). Also, make Jansen compete for a starting position at center. Sign or draft a big, bruising, tailback that can get a tough yard every time. Run him behind Sellars on short yardage. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

12-26-2008, 11:41 PM	#8
drew54 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: IOWA Age: 43 Posts: 1,324	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... In no particular order: OL Drafted in the first round must start. Would like LT, move Samuels to RT Henry Ellard for WR coach. Draft DT that can contribute in third round. Re-sign Hall, Montgomery, Golston, Evans, Albright, Solve kicker/punter problems Sign free agents for depth, not starters. This is better for the cap, and we don't need starters, we need improvement from our young guys, and our injured guys to get healthy. Draft best player available at LB, DT, and OL with remaining picks. Be patient. __________________ No pressure, no diamonds.

12-27-2008, 08:18 AM	#9
Sonny9TD Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 399	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... Get rid of Campbell.

12-29-2008, 03:22 PM	#10
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... fire vinny, give parcells a blank check. These are the players he's assembled. 50 wins 62 losses 2 playoff first round losses top 3 in league payroll every year. I'm not sure where we can locate free agent signings/trades to see how much we've paid to people...net, net is horrible as well (esp. considering the forgone picks) Deon sanders, bruce smith, adam archuleta, marcus washington, santana moss, randel el, brandon lloyd, casey rabach, randy thomas, pete kendall, jason taylor, tj duckett, Vinny's Draft Record Since he's been GM: 2008: Leave alone - though its been a DISASTER. 2007: Landy and Blades (only 1 pick in the first four rounds). Laundry is a no brainer and blades could be serviceable but can't cover. 2006: Rocky (limp knees- got exposed as he can't stay healthy a full season), Golston (again, only 1 pick in the first 4 rounds) 2005: Rogers and Campbell (both first rounders, both good players though not great- Rogers could be shopped this summer. no 2,3 round picks) 2004: Cooley and Taylor: only 4 picks in the draft, taylor was a no brainer, cooley a VERY pleasant surprise. 2003: 3 draft picks, dockery was an excellent grab at 3rd, Jacobs was a bust in the 2nd. 2002: Ladell betts, Ramsey, Rock Cart. both betts and ramsey are capable backups, rock is a great special teams player but nothing more. 2008 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 2 34 Devin Thomas WR Michigan State 2 48 Fred Davis TE USC 2 51 Malcolm Kelly WR Oklahoma 3 96 Chad Rinehart T Northern Iowa 4 124 Justin Tyron CB Arizona State 6 168 Durant Brooks P Georgia Tech 6 180 Kareem Moore DB Nicholls State 6 186 Colt Brennan QB Hawaii 7 242 Rob Jackson DE Kansas State 7 249 Chris Horton FS UCLA 2007 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 6 LaRon Landry SS Louisiana State 5 143 Dallas Sartz LB USC 6 179 H.B. Blades LB Pittsburgh 6 205 Jordan Palmer QB Texas-El Paso 7 216 Tyler Ecker TE Michigan 2006 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 2 35 Rocky McIntosh LB Miami (Fla.) 5 153 Anthony Montgomery DT Minnesota 6 173 Reed Doughty DB Northern Colorado 6 196 Kedric Golston DT Georgia 7 230 Kili Lefotu G Arizona 7 250 Kevin Simon LB Tennessee 2005 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 9 Carlos Rogers DB Auburn 1 25 Jason Campbell QB Auburn 4 120 Manuel White RB UCLA 5 154 Robert McCune LB Louisville 6 183 Jared Newberry LB Stanford 7 222 Nehemiah Broughton RB The Citadel 2004 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 5 Sean Taylor FS Miami (Fla.) 3 81 Chris Cooley TE Utah State 5 151 Mark Wilson T California 6 180 Jim Molinaro T Notre Dame 2003 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 2 44 Taylor Jacobs WR Florida 3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas 7 232 Gibran Hamdan QB Indiana 2002 - Washington Redskins Rd Sel # Player Position School 1 32 Patrick Ramsey QB Tulane 2 56 Ladell Betts RB Iowa 3 79 Rashad Bauman CB Oregon 3 87 Cliff Russell WR Utah 5 159 Andre Lott CB Tennessee 5 160 Robert Royal TE Louisiana State 6 192 Reggie Coleman T Tennessee 7 230 Jeff Grau TE UCLA 7 234 Greg Scott DE Hampton 7 257 Rock Cartwright RB Kansas State __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

12-30-2008, 10:10 PM	#12
30gut Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,323	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... Hire this guy:Larry Kirksey DenverBroncos.com – Official Website Of The Denver Broncos He might be available since the Broncos fired Shanahan Larry Kirksey enters his second year as the wide receivers coach for the Texans. He brings over a decade of experience to coaching wide receivers. He has coached three receivers, Jerry Rice (1,549), Jimmy Smith (862) and Terrell Owens (801), that have over 800 receptions in their career. In his first year with the Texans, Kirksey oversaw a group that had three players top 700 receiving yards, making Houston one of just four teams to achieve that feat. The unit’s depth was tested when two-time Pro Bowl WR Andre Johnson missed seven games due to injury, but fellow receivers Kevin Walter and André Davis stepped up to fill the void. Walter set career highs in receptions, with 65, yards, with 800, and touchdowns, with four. His 65 catches led the team and he was second in receiving yards. Davis emerged as one of the best deep threats in the NFL, averaging nearly 18 yards per catch. Despite playing in just nine games, Johnson once again led the team in receiving yards, with 851, and touchdowns, with eight. Houston’s all-time leading receiver led all NFL receivers with an average of 94.6 yards per game.

12-30-2008, 10:53 PM	#13
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... Since Albert Haynesworth made the pro-bowl, per a clause in his contract, he cannot be franchised by the Titans (good move by his agent). ESPN is reporting he and the Titans are engaged in contract negotiations. I fully expect the Titans to lucratively retain the cornerstone of their bad ass defense. __________________ Tardy

12-30-2008, 12:07 PM	#14
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... I think Zorn did some nice things with JC this year. I don't see the need for a new QB coach. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-30-2008, 12:11 PM	#15
tryfuhl Gamebreaker Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Waldorf, MD Age: 42 Posts: 12,514	Re: If You Ran the Redskins... for all of the Cowher guys: ESPN - Sources: Bill Cowher won't interview for New York Jets job "Former Pittsburgh Steelers coach Bill Cowher, who rejected a chance to become head coach of the Browns last weekend, is not going to interview for the head coaching position of the New York Jets, according to multiple sources. Cowher, according to a source, has been contacted by the Jets. Although he is interested in the Jets job, he told the team he would not be a candidate because he would like to bring in his own personnel director. Jets owner Woody Johnson plans to keep Mike Tannenbaum as his general manager after firing Eric Mangini as head coach Monday. With Tannenbaum as the general manager, Cowher is willing to pass on the Jets opportunity, stay in broadcasting for another year and wait to return to coaching in 2010. "

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