Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams)

wilsowilso · 09-20-2009, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

My bigger problem in the red zone than the plays is the personnel packages that Zorn is using. On several occasions inside the 10, Zorn took Kelly out of the game. You have got to be kidding. Kelly is only our biggest target, and supposedly has the best hands on the team. He should NEVER be out of the game when we're inside the opponent's 10.

I really really agree with this. Take out Moss before Kelly.

Paintrain · 09-20-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wilsowilso

I really really agree with this. Take out Moss before Kelly.

If you put in Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell and Cooley in a 4 WR spread don't you think that may open up some running lanes as well as passing opportunities?!? Nah, let's go 4 TE and run the stretch!

skins89moss · 09-21-2009, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SouperMeister

My bigger problem in the red zone than the plays is the personnel packages that Zorn is using. On several occasions inside the 10, Zorn took Kelly out of the game. You have got to be kidding. Kelly is only our biggest target, and supposedly has the best hands on the team. He should NEVER be out of the game when we're inside the opponent's 10.

I agree we had 1 WR and 2TE sets trying to run the ball when our O-line got no push. Lets try spreading them out 4wr wide and let JC make the play or QB draw.

Dirtbag59 · 09-20-2009, 11:20 PM

Campbell needs to save Zorn from himself and start calling audibles at the line.

Beemnseven · 09-20-2009, 11:44 PM

I think they're afraid of two guys who aren't good at stopping the run at both ends -- Carter and Orakpo -- full time.

On passing down Orakpo should be at his natural position absolutely.

Paintrain · 09-20-2009, 11:48 PM

Ultimate optimism, we're in a 3 way tie for 2nd!

Ruhskins · 09-20-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Ultimate optimism, we're in a 3 way tie for 2nd!

Well at least our starting QB and RB are healthy (crossing fingers) unlike in Philly, and Campbell didn't throw 4 INTs in a home game like Tony Turnover.

Paintrain · 09-20-2009, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Well at least our starting QB and RB are healthy (crossing fingers) unlike in Philly, and Campbell didn't throw 4 INTs in a home game like Tony Turnover.

Barber looked like he popped a quad muscle tonight in the 4th.

Redskin Warrior · 09-21-2009, 12:49 AM

Danny has to be licking his chops Shanahan, Cowher, Billick, Holmgren on the market. I bet Danny sitting by the phone saying to himself keep on fu**ing up Zorn.

skins89moss · 09-21-2009, 05:01 AM

Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today.

skins89moss · 09-21-2009, 05:02 AM

Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today.

CRedskinsRule · 09-21-2009, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by skins89moss

Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today.

I hadn't actually thought about it, but the 4th and 1 would have been an excellent time for the "heavy jumbo" package, and just bull-dozed for the yard. Would have made a good statement, even I felt the offensive line got several key 3rd and shorts in the middle of the field.
During the game I wanted Jason to fake the handoff and run it, or throw the tight end screen, but afterwards we found out Jason was playing on a hobbled ankle (kudos to Jason, cuz I for one could not tell at all).

irish · 09-21-2009, 08:29 AM

Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.

SC Skins Fan · 09-21-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.

Boswell is always good. I think that you like the article because it places so much of the blame on Campbell. That statistic he throws out is pretty good though. Ultimately, he absolves Zorn of too many of his sins (and unfairly saddles him with another when he says that he should have kicked at the end).

jgalecpa · 09-21-2009, 09:28 AM

I think the biggest indictment of Zorn and his play calling/field management came is that scene not really commented on by the TV commentators when he was trying to call a time out and the other coach had to grab his arm to tell him not to do it then and let the clock wind down. Those extra 30 seconds proved pivotal at the end of the game.

You want a laugh?

Go back to the thread predicting the outcome of this game.

09-20-2009, 11:20 PM	#4
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 40 Posts: 14,750	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Campbell needs to save Zorn from himself and start calling audibles at the line. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

09-20-2009, 11:44 PM	#5
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) I think they're afraid of two guys who aren't good at stopping the run at both ends -- Carter and Orakpo -- full time. On passing down Orakpo should be at his natural position absolutely.

09-20-2009, 11:48 PM	#6
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Ultimate optimism, we're in a 3 way tie for 2nd! __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-21-2009, 05:01 AM	#10
skins89moss Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,634	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today. __________________ www.islandstyleflowers.com Home of the Hawaiian Foam Flowers and Kukui Nut Leis. Great selections and best prices. Redskins Fan Since 1972

09-21-2009, 05:02 AM	#11
skins89moss Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 3,634	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Zorn had guts and confidence to go for it on 4th and 1. If we make it we run the clock out and maybe punch it in. This would be confidence for our entire offense. If we don't make it they have no time outs and must get to our 30 yard line for a fg shot. Our O-Line was given the chance to make a statement that we can blow people off the ball to win the game. Well the O-line got stuffed and we could not get 1 yard. You have to be able to run the ball in the red Zone to be a successfull running team. If you cant get 1 yard than what does that say about our O-line ? I guess we are not physical enough up front and thats why we dont get the long runs very often. Where is Big Mike Williams when you need him. Oh Sellers got his contract extention but his blocking was suspect today. __________________ www.islandstyleflowers.com Home of the Hawaiian Foam Flowers and Kukui Nut Leis. Great selections and best prices. Redskins Fan Since 1972

09-21-2009, 08:29 AM	#13
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) Great article by Boswell in today's Wash Post. He does a great job at summing up why the team has trouble scoring in the red zone and why nobody should be upset at them.

09-21-2009, 09:28 AM	#15
jgalecpa Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 458	Re: Smoot Lays the Smack Down (Redskins vs. Rams) I think the biggest indictment of Zorn and his play calling/field management came is that scene not really commented on by the TV commentators when he was trying to call a time out and the other coach had to grab his arm to tell him not to do it then and let the clock wind down. Those extra 30 seconds proved pivotal at the end of the game. You want a laugh? Go back to the thread predicting the outcome of this game. __________________ Theismann: You're wrong, the rule is wrong, the refs are wrong, and I'm right Last edited by jgalecpa; 09-21-2009 at 09:45 AM.

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