Where are Kelly & Thomas?

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Redskins Insider - Kelly Reveals Thumb Injury

That's a real bummer. Kid seems fragile, unfortunately.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Redskins Insider - Kelly Reveals Thumb Injury

I'd sit him and let him heal and start Mitchell. On another topic, D. Hall better keep his cool going against Steve Smith, since they don't like each other. This could be the game were Hall commits stupid personal fouls like he has in the past and kills us.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'd sit him and let him heal and start Mitchell. On another topic, D. Hall better keep his cool going against Steve Smith, since they don't like each other. This could be the game were Hall commits stupid personal fouls like he has in the past and kills us.

Good idea. And yeah, we should see how much Hall has matured during this game.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Redskins Insider - Kelly Reveals Thumb Injury

Does that thumb injury prevent him from getting seperation from DB's?

[CRedskinsRule]

Smoot, I like your point in the post you linked too. All I am saying, is that after 5 years of little things being missed as you said, and when a lot of our other low level coaches have been let go with the coaching changes, how does Hixon survive with 0 production to put by his name. It's not like changing Hixon is going to suddenly turn DT into Superman, but maybe another coach could get through to him. At this point, if the team wants to make a point without major turmoil (yes I am laughing at myself for even writing that line) then maybe letting a non-producing unit's position coach go would drive home the point that things have to change.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Smoot, I like your point in the post you linked too. All I am saying, is that after 5 years of little things being missed as you said, and when a lot of our other low level coaches have been let go with the coaching changes, how does Hixon survive with 0 production to put by his name. It's not like changing Hixon is going to suddenly turn DT into Superman, but maybe another coach could get through to him. At this point, if the team wants to make a point without major turmoil (yes I am laughing at myself for even writing that line) then maybe letting a non-producing unit's position coach go would drive home the point that things have to change.

Well Sherm Lweis was working with the WRs yesterday. I am sure he is critiquing Hixon as well.

[Beemnseven]

It's hard for guys like Hixon, or any coach to get something out of players when they just aren't capable of producing.

Moss, Randle El, and James Thrash were the main receivers here for the last 4 years or so. Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell are young and inexperienced.

Is it out of the question to think that the receivers we have just aren't very good? And there isn't a coach out there who would make any difference?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

It's hard for guys like Hixon, or any coach to get something out of players when they just aren't capable of producing.

Moss, Randle El, and James Thrash were the main receivers here for the last 4 years or so. Kelly, Thomas, and Mitchell are young and inexperienced.

Is it out of the question to think that the receivers we have just aren't very good? And there isn't a coach out there who would make any difference?

Even the most terrible receivers should be capable of catching a couple of passes a game. The fact that everyone on this board had as many catches as Kelly and ARE combined last week points to a much bigger problem than lack of talent at the WR position. And O line is fine. Campbell has only been sacked 8 times all year, ranking near the bottom of all starting QBs.

That leaves coaching and QB play, both of which have looked abysmal.

[SBXVII]

#1) Matty asked for some names out of that list I gave earlier....McCardell is one and Pinkston is another who were with us and went on to do better elsewhere. Maybe it's ony two but why couldn't Hixon do something with them.

#2) Smoot, My first sentence that sounds off the wall is cause someone else said "maybe these WR's get brought in and Hixon does nothing with them and pick up bad habits which hurts them in the long run when they go elsewhere. I just said it way differently.

#3) If people would read the whole thread they would understand that I said "we have more problems then just the WR Coach". This thread started out about Kelly/Thomas and some were saying they most likely are busts, I was pointing out that I think there's more to that then another set of busts that have came and went. I like Kelly/Thomas/Mitchell, I just think they are not getting coached up or developed.

#4) As stated in #3 we have more problems then just WR but...it seems like everyone has their opinion as to what the "one thing" is that is wrong with the Skins. I thin it's more then just "one thing". It would be a luxoury to fix the O-line, I agree we should be starting in the trenches, especially if we get into rebuild mode, but honestly how much protection time do you all expect JC to have? How much do you want to give him? All QB's know they have between 3-7 seconds to get rid of the ball and the second hand usually is closer to 3 seconds. 5 or more seconds is a lifetime...just listen to announcers who say "wow, he had all day to throw."

Basically, the WR's need to learn how to get open (like all the other rookies out their), run good routes, and actually go attack the ball not wait for it to show up. JC needs to get rid of the ball sooner. The O-line needs to get better at run blocking or change their scheme. I'm not sure if they are better at the man-to-man or Zone blocking at this point. Portis....what can I say about him, He came her ...gained weight to be the hard hitting running back after coming from Denver as a shifty speed back, then after yrs he decides he wants to lose weight to try and be the speedy back again when Zorn arrived. This yr he looks weak. No pun intended but he looks like losing the weight is tiring him out faster and he does not have the weight behind him to slam into the holes running over LB's. It's no co-incidence that he has not had a 100 yrd game in a while. I like him a lot but maybe he should have kept the weight on and allowed someone else to be the speedy back.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

#1) Matty asked for some names out of that list I gave earlier....McCardell is one and Pinkston is another who were with us and went on to do better elsewhere. Maybe it's ony two but why couldn't Hixon do something with them.

I think you're mistaken here

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

#1) Matty asked for some names out of that list I gave earlier....McCardell is one and Pinkston is another who were with us and went on to do better elsewhere. Maybe it's ony two but why couldn't Hixon do something with them.

McCardell the first time around I'll give you, but that was long before Hixon. So really it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Pinkston? He signed here in 2007 but never made the roster and has since retired.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

McCardell the first time around I'll give you, but that was long before Hixon. So really it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Pinkston? He signed here in 2007 but never made the roster and has since retired.

thanks for clarifying his status.

I can't believe someone wants to actually claim pinkston as ever being a skin. It was a dark day when he signed. He'll always be best remembered by us for short arming a ball when the late ST was bearing down on him.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

thanks for clarifying his status.

I can't believe someone wants to actually claim pinkston as ever being a skin. It was a dark day when he signed. He'll always be best remembered by us for short arming a ball when the late ST was bearing down on him.

He got alligator arms real quick when he saw ST. That just shows the impact ST had on the field. A lot of receivers wanted no part of the ball when ST was around. I couldn't believe we signed Pinkston either.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

McCardell the first time around I'll give you, but that was long before Hixon. So really it's irrelevant to this discussion.

Pinkston? He signed here in 2007 but never made the roster and has since retired.

and I did put the little warning in my first post that I pulled the info from the Redskins transaction page so I may have gone to far down the list. So I do apologize.

Still we have had a revolving door at Redskins park since Gibbs left the first time. Even Norv had a hard time finding a half decent WR. Yet other teams....ie; the Giants this yr, Eagles last yr, and the few that took WR's as 1st or 2nd round players have done better then we have. I know most of ours were 7th rounders or non drafted players but we can't even teach them to perform a 5 yrd out? 10 yrd curl? a 20 yrd come back? Not a one?

It either leans toward the lack of talent our scouts have a picking players or it leans toward Hixon for even entertaining the thought of bringing them in. He should have just said " If this is what your bringing to me then don't bring in any at all pick O-lineman." but you can't tell me he has no say in who the team brings in at the WR position. He's the position coach, he would know what he can work with or can't work with simply by studying film of these players. Yet they came.

[SmootSmack]

I thought it was Ryan Clark more than ST on that play...either way Pinkston is arguably one of the weaker (if not the weakest) example of Hixon not developing receivers