Portis staying?

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

CP a "team player"? Now that's a good one!

Really. I've heard it all now.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

when does everyone think we'll find out if portis is staying or going? i can't remember whether that sort of stuff usually happens before or after the start of free agency.

[SolidSnake84]

probably about 3/1, which is the start of Free Agency

[CRedskinsRule]

I would say March 5th, our big FA splashes may be more likely who we let go this year, once the uncapped year officially starts. Although, MS may want to see what effort he shows at the OTA's, or see what - if any trade is possible.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

i dont think a trade is possible - no one's going to want his contract. i also don't think he would find a job quickly if he were released. i think it would take a while for portis to realize he's not worth what he thinks.

[KLHJ2]

Portis has always been a "team player" for "Team Portis", leave CRedskinsRule Alone!

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

I think you guys read into media way too much. It's not like he was all "T.O. after many games talking trash. I'm also, once again, not saying I'm all about trashing teamates. But the fact is that he was telling the truth and many people need to hear that. Sellers got over Portis' comments and you know what, maybe he NEEDED a kick in the rear! Not saying Sellers is the enemy either here, but the man did miss a block that caused a game momentum changing safety after our D worked their butts off to get us the bal back, as well as fumble in the begining of our overtime drive against the Saints, i can go on... I'm just saying, Portis doesn't ALWAYS talk trash and when he does, it's true. He was right about Zorn, right about Sellers, and he and Cooley BOTH have made statements against JC. Cooley "saying JC needs to have some balls and take more chances" isn't even in the discussion!?! Why? Cuz he's the man! So it Portis... don't read so much into a few bad comments when he's way more often said GOOD things about JC and his teamates.

As for nobody wanting Portis, I remember the Cardinals taking an 'over the hill' Emmit Smith, then a 'used, but servicable' Edgerin James. Any team that falls under a "needs a tough, every down back" as a last piece to the puzzle would want him. Not a team that intends to build a franchise around a guy, but a team that is like, "Man, all we need is a veteran HB" would GLADLY take him and pay the cost. he's not as bad and slow and crappy as you guys make him out to be. Portis behind a bad line and injured is still better than many other backs.

This reminds me of when i was in another room. People were mocking me and laughing because i said a team was gonna make some noise after picking up 3 people.

One was an old has-been wide receiver that takes plays off and never could take his team to the big game. "He's past his prime!" they said. "His best years were forever ago! He needs to retire". They ignored me when i attributed the bad years to the team he was on and the QB.

The other was a guy who just was never good enough to be a #1 receiver. Not very sure handed. What good is a YAC man that can't get the C part down? They ignored me when i said that as long as he isn't the #1 receiver, he can kill #2 corners on most teams.

The last guy was a little chump that couldn't even barely make 4th string on the Dolphins. People laughed at me when i said that he was a beast and never stops until after the whistle is blown. They said he was trash and would end up getting traded or released before preseason.

I can't remember how many records Brady broke with those guys... all I know is that calling Randy Moss a hasbeen is reasonable since i think the last year he was in Oakland he had fewer yards and TDs than Chris Cooley the same year. For someone of his reputation to make such meager stats, he MUST be past his prime! Right!? BIG PICTURE PEOPLE! You don't rate Moss by his stats with the Raiders and you don't snub CP and call him 'aging' right after a probowl behind a crappy line! I mean holy crap! Look at his stats from last year from game one to eight! Tell me how many yards he would've gotten if we didn't have injuries to our o-line!

Another thing, when the game is on the line, great players want the ball. Did you look at the sickening look on Manning's face as he watched his back-up throw away their perfect season? Great players wanna be there... On the flip side, every carry after 22 carries in one game are pretty much chipping away at a runningback's longevity. Most Runningbacks pull themselves out of games as tired or talk their way into being situational backs in order to last longer. You'll never see LT or Fast Willie taking the load for 30+ carries. If the team has to lean on Adrian Peterson, he's not gonna be the same after a year or two. That Portis has managed to get a probowl nod is beyond me. NO back that wants to last wants to carry the ball 300+ times in a season! He didn't do it because he wanted to. He did it because Brandon Lloyd and Keenan McCardell didn't do squat. The two rookie receivers we picked up last year got hurt and took a year and a half to be half decent. Randel el did just okay as a receiver but could never step up to be the number one guy in Moss' absence and he constanly gave us horrible field position. JC had only two options, Cooley and Moss. With Cooley as a blocker to assist a crumbling line, the passing attack was still hampered by receivers dropping catchable balls and Moss getting double and triple teamed. Gibbs asked Portis to carry the load and he did it. He did it without complaining until Zorn and we all see what he was now. (I could've told you he was crap after looking at his QB stats. I mean holy crap! His best years were below JC in rating and more than half the time he threw more picks than TDs)

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by Beneil (diehard since 87)

He did it without complaining until Zorn and we all see what he was now. (I could've told you he was crap after looking at his QB stats. I mean holy crap! His best years were below JC in rating and more than half the time he threw more picks than TDs)

you cant compare qb stats from the 70's to qb stats in 2009. hell you cant even compare qb stats in the early 2000's to 2009.

but your point that a former player with average stats while he was in the nfl could never be a good coach is 100% correct. noone could argue otherwise.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

you cant compare qb stats from the 70's to qb stats in 2009. hell you cant even compare qb stats in the early 2000's to 2009.

but your point that a former player with average stats while he was in the nfl could never be a good coach is 100% correct. noone could argue otherwise.

The "Advanced Passing" section of pro football reference does adjust for the passing climate of the era, whereas stats like QB rating are just heavily skewed towards players that play today.

It doesn't adjust for opponents though, so it's not perfect.

[Beneil (diehard since 87)]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The "Advanced Passing" section of pro football reference does adjust for the passing climate of the era, whereas stats like QB rating are just heavily skewed towards players that play today.

It doesn't adjust for opponents though, so it's not perfect.

Forget the era. Simple concept. End of the game and end of the season, you want your QB to have thrown more touchdowns than interceptions. Every touchdown is a chance to win and every interception is a chance for the OTHER team to win and that goes for every era. Zorn threw 111 tds and 141 ints... Simple as that.

huh? Can i Make it worse? Okay. His first season, Zorn threw 12 tds and 27 interceptions. TO be fair, i'll count his rushing touchdowns and say 16 tds and 27ints.

in his 11 seasons he only has 2 seasons with more touchdowns than interceptions... TWO OUT OF ELEVEN!!??!?!

Let's compare him to OUR qb in the same era for a little perspective. Theisman threw 160 tds 138 ints. 50% of his seasons were with more TDs than INTs including one with 29 tds and 11 ints. (If you count rushing TDs with passing, then Joe Theisman he has 7 out of 12 seasons with more TDs than Ints)

I can go on, but i wont, due to an abundance of short attention spans in here.

[SolidSnake84]

If Portis changes, i think people here will take the "too little too late" approach.

Portis knows he's done just as much as we do....

[MTK]

Bottom line, CP talks too much, and so do his supporters. Let's see some results and then we'll revisit this.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bottom line, CP talks too much, and so do his supporters. Let's see some results and then we'll revisit this.

While this is true it is unfortunate. Because it means a wasted 10million this season, for another unproductive running game. And even then the same people will blame everybody but CP himself..

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

While this is true it is unfortunate. Because it means a wasted 10million this season, for another unproductive running game. And even then the same people will blame everybody but CP himself..

I forget who said it, but Portis' money is spent this year regardless of what he does, and since there is no cap this year it doesn't affect the teams ability to acquire the players they want. The debate about Portis this year should be solely on his ability/work ethic, and Matty is right, we will have to see this year's CP (at OTA's etc) and then see what the team does. The finances are moot since it's an uncapped year.

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bottom line, CP talks too much, and so do his supporters. Let's see some results and then we'll revisit this.

i agree. i think a huge problem was portis going on the john thompson show every week. portis was frustrated (which he had a right to be) but he was airing his frustration over the radio (which was wrong) he needs to keep those things in house. imo, players should not agree to weekly radio interviews, they're setting themselves up for trouble if the team is not playing well because you know certain questions are gonna be asked. it's best to let the coaches handle the tuff questions. the players need to keep their mouths closed and just play (and practice).