'Occupy' types

[over the mountain]

that officer who threw the flash gernande is a POS.

he deliberately threw it nonchalantly underhanded (without moving his body or arms, just flicking his wrist underhanded) so a video perhaps wouldnt pick it up.

what a POS. there are a bunch of stupid power tripping dirty cops. ive had run ins with them ive written about on here, weve all seen the various videos we sometimes post on here.

there are some bad ones, some good ones. but it really gets me that this guy knew he was doing somehting dirty b/c he tried to do it inconspicuously which clearly shows an intentional malicious act with knowledge it was wrong.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

Im in the middle on this. Im nearly positive the injuries to the Marine came from a tear gas container or other crowd disbursement weapon fired from the police. But the guy should have fled once the police started firing tear gas, instead he just stood there and took on the risk that something could happen. If he had left he wouldn’t have been hit by a canister and perhaps the police wouldn’t have had the need to fire additional canisters. I think police abuse powers but that doesn’t give me the right not to pull over when a cop car flashes his lights, or waive my responsibility to disperse when they fire tear gas at me.

How dare you not have a polarized option!

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Since you agree so much with the Occupy movement, why don't you get more involved and give the movement what it most lacks: concrete direction?

I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.

Roadhouse - YouTube

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Given the numbers involved and the fact that protests are all taking place in the heart of very busy cities, I would suggest that the fact that only one protester has been seriously injured is a testament to the restraint of both the police and the protestors. I would suggest that, had the OWS movement tried this stunt in the 50's, 60's or even early 70's, that the level of violence would have been significantly higher. I commend both sides for conducting a mostly civil, mostly peaceful protest that is mostly safe to the property and person of those not choosing to be part of the protest. I do not doubt there will be an investigation into Mr. Scott's injury and, if the police are determined to have acted in an unprofessional manner that caused harm, sanctions will follow (again, crowd control has come a long way since the 60's - as I am not convinced such an investigation would have happened then). .

I can agree with a majority of what you said, and without a doubt it's no easy task to monitor that many people all the while having your other duties. If anything, you just block the area and let it be. No sense of igniting something that shouldn't be ignited. Who cares in the end if a street or two is blocked off?

I disagree with the "investigation" bullshit though. How many times have we seen these "investigations" only to clear the cop of any and all wrong doing even though there is significant evidence to prove otherwise? Hell, even the cops in the Rodney King beating were cleared...lol That's my biggest issue with cops now. It's not that cops do these bad things, it's that their leadership covers for them and hides the truth.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

that officer who threw the flash gernande is a POS.
he deliberately threw it nonchalantly underhanded (without moving his body or arms, just flicking his wrist underhanded) so a video perhaps wouldnt pick it up.

what a POS. there are a bunch of stupid power tripping dirty cops. ive had run ins with them ive written about on here, weve all seen the various videos we sometimes post on here.

there are some bad ones, some good ones. but it really gets me that this guy knew he was doing somehting dirty b/c he tried to do it inconspicuously which clearly shows an intentional malicious act with knowledge it was wrong.

Thats the type of thing you see in communist China. Really no excuse. Especially after beating down an unarmed iraq war vet. Pathetic use of force by the police.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

So, essentially, you prefer just to sit on the sideline and bitch but not do any of the actual hard work required to organize, fund and effectuate the change you so passionately believe is necessary.

Gotcha. Good thing you're not apathetic.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So, essentially, you prefer just to sit on the sideline and bitch but not do any of the actual hard work required to organize, fund and effectuate the change you so passionately believe is necessary.

Gotcha. Good thing you're not apathetic.

You can mock me all you want. You don't know me and you don't know what I will or will not do. If a guy tells you his limitations, respect that. I have no problem doing any work behind the scenes or giving funds to the movement. You are taking my statement and making the conclusion I wouldn't put any effort into the movement. Why do you have to be on the street to support the movement? You know what you sound like? You sound like some of those Redskins fans that say you aren't a true Redskin fan unless you attend games...lol

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I didn't ignore this earlier so here is my response. It's not in my best interest or the interest of the movement to go anywhere near those protests. Why you ask? Because I'm not the type of person that responds to bullies well at all. I hold the mentality of that this guy has.


Roadhouse - YouTube

I'm nice, until it's time not to be nice. A cop does something dirty like that with the flash bang, I'm coming back with Molotov bombs. I'd personally rather let peace reign and get the issues fixed than have some spark (whether a dirty cop or hot tempered person) ignited into something bloody and violent. If I ever feel the people are being brutalized by the cops, then that's when I'll show up to fight for my fellow Americans. I like bullying the bullies.

So if you were there you would have thrown gasoline bombs at the police?
yea right.....

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You can mock me all you want. You don't know me and you don't know what I will or will not do. If a guy tells you his limitations, respect that. I have no problem doing any work behind the scenes or giving funds to the movement. You are taking my statement and making the conclusion I wouldn't put any effort into the movement. Why do you have to be on the street to support the movement? You know what you sound like? You sound like some of those Redskins fans that say you aren't a true Redskin fan unless you attend games...lol

So are you giving funds to the movement?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I can agree with a majority of what you said, and without a doubt it's no easy task to monitor that many people all the while having your other duties. If anything, you just block the area and let it be. No sense of igniting something that shouldn't be ignited. Who cares in the end if a street or two is blocked off?

Except that everyone, not just the protestors have a right to use public property. What if you live or work there? What if your livelihood requires others to be able to reach you there? What if your health or safety requires routine access to the area either b/c you live there or you need something from the area? As usual, it's just not as simple as you try to make it.

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I disagree with the "investigation" bullshit though. How many times have we seen these "investigations" only to clear the cop of any and all wrong doing even though there is significant evidence to prove otherwise? Hell, even the cops in the Rodney King beating were cleared...lol That's my biggest issue with cops now. It's not that cops do these bad things, it's that their leadership covers for them and hides the truth.

Undoubtedly, cops cover up cops actions. At the same time, I would suggest that police are also being subject to sanctions more often than at any time in history. In the era of internet, facebook and youtube, it is much more difficult for officers to escape scrutiny as they have in the past. Are there still abuses? Undoubtedly. Is there more accountability than there was even 30 years ago? I believe that also to be true.

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently recharged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...

[NC_Skins]

The problem I have with a few up here is that if the issue affect YOU, then you'd be up and arms about it. Most of you guys are affected, so you simply don't care who or what gets hurt. I suppose it's typical, but it reminds me of this saying.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

At some point, something you stand for is going to be affected and nobody is going to be there to support you. If you don't take a stand for other people's plights and causes, then don't expect anything when it comes your turn. Trust me, there will be a your turn.

So far, I've had some of the posters up here push me into this category that I:

1) Hate corporations
2) Hate rich people
3) Jealous of people's success

The reality is you don't know me, my financial status or anything of the sort to make such comments. I will tell you that I have a cushy job as a network engineer for the state. I'm in the top 8% of salaries in the city I live in, and benefits out the ass. I haven't lost my house, declared bankruptcy, or underwater in debt. I have absolutely NOTHING to complain about. Banks haven't ****ed me over, and neither has any corporation.

That doesn't mean I can't see and understand people's plight in regards to these institutions. If I see something not right, I say something. I don't say something only because it affects me. Try caring for your fellow human mankind even if his plight doesn't affect you. You never know, one day you may need his help in your struggle. Then again, you are probably the kind of person who think you'll never need help. I guess it's easier to sit back, stereotype the individuals and mock their view points and protesting.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So are you giving funds to the movement?

I have and will more if need be. I've got a few friends that have attended (and still do) the Occupy movements. (Cali, NYC, and Dallas)

[Alvin Walton]

This protester cant get a job because there is too much homeland security and stuff.
You know...
You know...
You know...
I think she is Emmit Smiths sister.

Haftin' To Be Uproared - Occupy Atlanta - YouTube

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

And just so we're clear, rather than demonstrating a will to cover things up, I would suggest that the Rodney King affair demonstrates just how far the government will go to pursue justice when it comes to police abuse. The cops in the Rodney King beating were criminally charged and found not guilty by a jury who viewed the entire video not just the portions released to the public. They were subsequently recharged with civil rights violations and found guilty. Bottom line is, the State went to great lengths to secure significant sanctions of those cops.

But I digress ...

State lost out. It was the Feds that got the civil rights conviction.

Let's be honest. The only reason the Feds even bothered is because of the riot (and racial explosion) that happened after the not guilty verdict. There have been a many of other cases where it gets swept under the rug. You know this and I know this.

Had there been no video, this would have never came to light.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

This protester cant get a job because there is too much homeland security and stuff.
You know...
You know...
You know...
I think she is Emmit Smiths sister.

Haftin' To Be Uproared - Occupy Atlanta - YouTube

Oh god, that was brutal!