Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'd like to be clear here:

I have long been somewhat opposed to greater gun control because many of the same reasons that have been stated.

But upon closer examination of gun ownership statistics and some quality time spent reasoning I am finding it harder and harder to rectify the fact the we as a nation have more guns than everyone else in the whole world combined yet we still have vast amount of crime often disproportional to other countries. The argument that guns stop crime is on pretty shaky ground and I have yet to see anyone that can show why we have all these guns yet crime isn't much better. I'd love to understand why.

Try reading this book, your local library has it.

Twelve years of additional experience and mountains of data confirm the empirical truth – more guns in the hands of law-abiding citizens mean less crime.

[FRPLG]

BTW...I'm willing to be convinced either way.

[firstdown]

We have taken god out of school, told kids they have all the rights, breakdown of the American family, kids with no dads, teachers can't touch kids, etc, ect..... but thats just a bunch of right wing nuts.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

We have taken god out of school, told kids they have all the rights, breakdown of the American family, kids with no dads, teachers can't touch kids, etc, ect..... but thats just a bunch of right wing nuts.

somewhat reasonable points up to this, not sure where you're going there

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

somewhat reasonable points up to this, not sure where you're going there

You know what I was saying. In my day if you acted up in class the teacher would come over and yank your ass out of class. If that happened today they would end up in court and looking for a new job. Kids know this and do as the please. Your 50 and I'm sure if you looked at your teacher back in school and said you had rights they would have shown you your rights. We feared our teachers while at the same time we respect them and loved them.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You know what I was saying. In my day if you acted up in class the teacher would come over and yank your ass out of class. If that happened today they would end up in court and looking for a new job. Kids know this and do as the please. Your 50 and I'm sure if you looked at your teacher back in school and said you had rights they would have shown you your rights. We feared our teachers while at the same time we respect them and loved them.

Roughing up or intimidating kids isn't the answer IMO.

I'm only 40 thanks. I never had a teacher lay a hand on me.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Roughing up or intimidating kids isn't the answer IMO.

I'm only 40 thanks. I never had a teacher lay a hand on me.

Maybe we need to intimidate the kids. We sure didn't have students punching or hitting teachers like you here about today. Teachers had the respect of the students and from what I hear from many high school teachers its not that way in todays world.

[Alvin Walton]

The guns used in Newtown were stolen.
Evaulations and background checks arent goint to apply.
Crazy people do crazy things.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

The guns used in Newtown were stolen.
Evaulations and background checks arent goint to apply.
Crazy people do crazy things.

Agreed. If not a gun, then a baseball bat, a knife, a spoon.....

I am the first to admit that a high capacity magazine on a semi-automatic rifle gets the job done more efficiently.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Agreed. If not a gun, then a baseball bat, a knife, a spoon.....

I am the first to admit that a high capacity magazine on a semi-automatic rifle gets the job done more efficiently.

He killed 20 seven year old children up close with a high capacity-powered rifle within a matter of minutes. He could have killed a whole lot more. These are children getting killed with military style weapon. These are not weapons of defense, these are weapons of offense whose purpose is to kill many and quickly. Killing has become a sport in this country. It is now a game where the next mass murderer tries to up the guy before him.


I can't get the image of young children in a corner, frozen, in-capable of understanding the situation getting rapidly peppered with 3 to 11 bullets. The look in their eyes, their little frail bodies reverberating.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by saden1

He killed 20 seven year old children up close with a high capacity-powered rifle within a matter of minutes. He could have killed a whole lot more. These are children getting killed with military style weapon. These are not weapons of defense, these are weapons of offense whose purpose is to kill many and quickly. Killing has become a sport in this country. It is now a game where the next mass murderer tries to up the guy before him.


I can't get the image of young children in a corner, frozen, in-capable of understanding the situation getting rapidly peppered with 3 to 11 bullets. The look in their eyes, their little frail bodies reverberating.

Maybe if we gave them some guns it would have been different....

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Maybe if we gave them some guns it would have been different....

Having guns at schools could be answer to stop maximum damage but it doesn't address the damage that a lone wolf can cause. Plus, there is inherit danger that comes with having a gun in class rooms or school grounds. Statistics show that accidental deaths from guns increase many folds with the presence of a gun in a household compared to households that don't have guns. Arming teachers is the easy "solution" to a complex problem that deserves a real solution.


How hard do you think it would be for an individual to acquire a high powered high capacity rifle and mow-down 1+ people at the NRA's head quarters? I can think of many ways with the help of high powered semi-automatic rifle.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by saden1

He killed 20 seven year old children up close with a high capacity-powered rifle within a matter of minutes. He could have killed a whole lot more. These are children getting killed with military style weapon. These are not weapons of defense, these are weapons of offense whose purpose is to kill many and quickly. Killing has become a sport in this country. It is now a game where the next mass murderer tries to up the guy before him.


I can't get the image of young children in a corner, frozen, in-capable of understanding the situation getting rapidly peppered with 3 to 11 bullets. The look in their eyes, their little frail bodies reverberating.

Which mass murder stated that? How do you know that?
Hyperbole much?

Military style...really?
Please explain what that style is.

Purpose to kill?
How about a cowboy style .45 cal trick shooter?
The hole it can blow in a torso is less offensive to you maybe?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

He killed 20 seven year old children up close with a high capacity-powered rifle within a matter of minutes. He could have killed a whole lot more. These are children getting killed with military style weapon. These are not weapons of defense, these are weapons of offense whose purpose is to kill many and quickly. Killing has become a sport in this country. It is now a game where the next mass murderer tries to up the guy before him.


I can't get the image of young children in a corner, frozen, in-capable of understanding the situation getting rapidly peppered with 3 to 11 bullets. The look in their eyes, their little frail bodies reverberating.

These guns have been around for a long time but these mass killings are something fairly new. Something other then the access to guns has changed and that's what needs to be fixed. I'm fine banning this type of gun but if someone else wants to do this again they will just find a different means.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by firstdown

These guns have been around for a long time but these mass killings are something fairly new. Something other then the access to guns has changed and that's what needs to be fixed. I'm fine banning this type of gun but if someone else wants to do this again they will just find a different means.

Then you will need to ban most deer rifles too.