The RG3 Sucks - Knee Jerk Reaction Thread

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by mooby

If there's anyone left on RG3's bandwagon, this should clear it out:



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-sh...214738329.html



I still want to believe in RG3 and I want him to be successful as a Redskin, but the prospect of doing a complete rebuild job of him as a qb is not exciting at all. I don't know that the fanbase or the FO would be willing to accept the time it would take to accomplish that either.

Good article. This is what I was talking about the other day -about defining talent. Griff is lacking "talent".


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[Kope]

the last time we had a coach this honest it was Marty. He called Darrell Green out and got him to buy in.

Leadership cannot start without honesty. It is about setting one standard and driving folks to it. If they don't buy in then they have to go; period. It can be brutal to watch from the outside.

IMO Gruden is exactly on track. By brining the issue into the public light he is protecting himself, he is in the position of strength. If he was a third year coach he wouldn't have the same leverage. He has this one single season to establish his relationship with higher; he will never have as much leverage as he has now - unless he starts winning. Once he starts winning he has another source of leverage. To win he has to get rid of RG. After this year the window is closed and he becomes more responsible as time goes on.

Don't forget Saint Joe was all about getting rid of Riggins and had issues with Theismann. He also flopped back and forth between DW and Jay Schrader, nothing was given to anyone.

Bottom line is if Gruden can get through this season and get rid of RG we have a chance at a turn around.

Of course this is all my opinion.

[bluesman]

there's another video analysis of RG on yahoo sports (google greg cosell film review)....that one pic with 5 wide open receivers is a bad head shaker, wtf?...I know I see wide open receivers sometimes also but the regular broadcast sometimes doesn't show the entire field....it would be nice to be able to see the overhead camera angles on all of the sacks/interceptions/bad passes to see our receivers waving their hands saying ''hey..I'm open!!


Unfortunately I do not see RG recovering/getting better....last year he got a pass with the knee injury. This year there are no excuses and he must know his career is on the line with every snap. The fear of failure is paralyzing him and he reverts back to the happy feet/run first option he is used to. Every day is more and more criticism and he just can't handle it. I just can't believe the team is cohesive at all when you have your leader playing subpar, not getting better, and knowing he is protected by the owner. Granted we are not an NFL team, but we have the same issue at my job....one golden boy who is really not that great at his job but the boss loves him......but everyone else on the team hates him. Don't know if that is the case on the Redskins.....but it just doesn't seem they are playing like a team at all......

[SFREDSKIN]

San Francisco 49ers News — Niner Insider Blog » Steve Young and the art of molding a mobile quarterback

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by Kope

the last time we had a coach this honest it was Marty. He called Darrell Green out and got him to buy in.

Leadership cannot start without honesty. It is about setting one standard and driving folks to it. If they don't buy in then they have to go; period. It can be brutal to watch from the outside.

IMO Gruden is exactly on track. By brining the issue into the public light he is protecting himself, he is in the position of strength. If he was a third year coach he wouldn't have the same leverage. He has this one single season to establish his relationship with higher; he will never have as much leverage as he has now - unless he starts winning. Once he starts winning he has another source of leverage. To win he has to get rid of RG. After this year the window is closed and he becomes more responsible as time goes on.

Don't forget Saint Joe was all about getting rid of Riggins and had issues with Theismann. He also flopped back and forth between DW and Jay Schrader, nothing was given to anyone.

Bottom line is if Gruden can get through this season and get rid of RG we have a chance at a turn around.

Of course this is all my opinion.

good insight. The Marty/DG reference was spot on. I remember Marty actually showing DG how to back pedal during Training Camp! Also, wasn't it Marty who brought in the mandatory Oklahoma drills?

But, back to the topic...I think you're onto this....Gruden is definitely "breaking RG3 down to try to build him back better". It still could work. Check the history between Chuck Noll and Terry Bradshaw- a very Public building project that actually paid off over time.

[KI Skins Fan]

I understand why Kope thinks that Jay is protecting himself by bringing the issue of RGIII's lack of fundamentals into the open, but who knows what Dan Snyder might do? For all we know, Jay Gruden's future as HC of the Redskins has already been decided. Still, it's a gutsy thing for Jay to do. I just hope that RGIII doesn't run crying to Snyder.

[calia]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

San Francisco 49ers News — Niner Insider Blog » Steve Young and the art of molding a mobile quarterback

Excellent article. Snyder ought to pay SY $5 million a year to coach this.


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[saden1]

Gruden fields an unprepared team week in, week out. This team is actually worse than last years team and that team tanked the season. Getting blown out like they have been is a cause to fire Gruden who IMO was a mediocre coach. Even more trouble than having a mediocre coach is having a mediocre "GM."

The Skins are so fcked.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I understand why Kope thinks that Jay is protecting himself by bringing the issue of RGIII's lack of fundamentals into the open, but who knows what Dan Snyder might do? For all we know, Jay Gruden's future as HC of the Redskins has already been decided. Still, it's a gutsy thing for Jay to do. I just hope that RGIII doesn't run crying to Snyder.

that is kind of my point...agreed - who knows what Snyder will do, but at least Gruden is going down swinging, doing what he thinks is right. If it works I think he will turn it around. If it doesn't he is gone and we never getting out of this hole.

[Bucket]

Terry Shea says Robert Griffin III’s fundamentals deserved a ‘B’ against Tampa Bay - The Washington Post


Unbiased view

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Terry Shea says Robert Griffin III’s fundamentals deserved a ‘B’ against Tampa Bay - The Washington Post


Unbiased view

LOL. Well played Bucket

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

LOL. Well played Bucket

Lol

[KI Skins Fan]

During the Tampa Bay game, I watched Robert carefully to evaluate his fundamentals. He squatted nicely behind Center with his hands in the right position to take the snap. After receiving the snap, he dropped back very quickly and smoothly. He stood tall in the pocket and held the ball high while surveying the field. Then, after six or seven seconds, he took a 17-yard sack rather than risk an interception by throwing the ball or a fumble by running it. His fundamentals were perfect. I'd give him a grade of A+.

[NC_Skins]

Report: Redskins brass backs Gruden's criticism of RG3 | Comcast SportsNet Washington


I think some of this is what Gruden meant by Robert being coddled by too many people.

Rapoport also reported that many special privileges that were afforded to Griffin's wife and parents, such as access to places at training camp and Redskins Park where other players' families were not allowed, are no longer available to them.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Report: Redskins brass backs Gruden's criticism of RG3 | Comcast SportsNet Washington


I think some of this is what Gruden meant by Robert being coddled by too many people.

Why wouldn't they support the hc? The fact this is news speaks to the disfuction of the organization.