What would it take?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I have worked in both sectors; the govt takes the cake on useless workers. Plus they can never be fired.



A govt employee in my office got caught jerking it at his seat. Still here to this day just moved him to another part of the building. Its unbelievable.

I've worked in both too and my experience was far worse in the private sector as far as lazy bum workers.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by MTK

How long is the freeze going to last though?

Here is an article on the guidelines from OMB:
OMB releases initial hiring freeze guidance for agencies - FederalNewsRadio.com
a few bullet points:

• temporarily prohibits agencies from making new hires until OMB develops a long-term plan within the next 90 days to reduce the size of the federal workforce through attrition
• Individuals who received a job offer or an appointment before Jan. 22, received a confirmation from the agency and received a start date on or before Feb. 22, 2017 should report to work on that day
• [for job offers without a start date (or starts after Feb 22)]Agency heads should consider merit system principles, essential mission priorities and current agency resources and funding levels when making determinations whether or not to revoke appointments
• agencies that they can make “limited” exemptions to the hiring freeze if they determine that those jobs are necessary to maintain public safety or national security

also here is an article about the VA and the exemptions for Doctors/medical practicioners as well as some construction projects

[Chico23231]

After reading up and getting more information about the ban...the more I think it doesn't make sense. First, if a family has been in a refugee camp for over a year and has gone thru or getting vetted to immigrate into the country...then they should be allowed to come in simply because they our escaping the war and not participating in it. In fact, those are the ones who should be moved to the front of the line.

There is a lot of misinformation out there...the basic fear...and folks it's a real fear, so don't play the dumb card, where everybody simply acts like they don't remember Brussels, Paris, Boston, San berdino, etc......the fear is someone can get on a plane in Yemen without much vetting and come into the country. It's a real fear folks. Because Yemen...if you don't know...is completely lawless and is where al queda has moved base operations too. We should absolutely be accepting no one from that country.

But a couple things...no fly list and obama same exact order to ban folks from Iraq and Syria during his administration for 6 months. Its fucking amazing to me, fucking amazing the media never said shit. These fucking pussy protesters never said a word. How can these folks be such hypocrites? The media never criticizes the president once,with this ban.

[CRedskinsRule]

The funny thing about all these executive orders and the uproar is that they are all either based on existing laws that President Obama used his pen and phone to ignore or they are temporary orders while new policies are evaluated and written by the Congress. I feel sympathy for those caught in the wake of the ship of state making a wide turn, but for example with the entrance ban, at most over the weekend we were talking about 200 people out of hundreds of thousands of passengers.
If the Congress wants to expedite a law, than write it up, submit it, and pass better laws.

And most importantly work together to accomplish it, but we know neither side wants that...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

The funny thing about all these executive orders and the uproar is that they are all either based on existing laws that President Obama used his pen and phone to ignore or they are temporary orders while new policies are evaluated and written by the Congress.

Here are the differences between what Obama, Carter and Trump executive orders. There is a huge difference.

Sorry, Mr. President: The Obama Administration Did Nothing Similar to Your Immigration Ban | Foreign Policy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.5e3269e4e9da

[MTK]

This Spicer guy eh?

Sean Spicer Retweets the Onion Calling Job Misinformation

https://techcrunch.com/2017/01/26/sean-spicer-n9y25ah7/

But those emails right?

Report: Trump still uses his unsecured Android phone to tweet | Computerworld

[NC_Skins]

This administration is a train wreck in motion. What a cluster fuck these guys are. Absolutely shameful. Dictator Trump wants it his way or your out.


Fired: Trump dumps top lawyer who defied immigration order | Reuters


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This administration is a train wreck in motion. What a cluster fuck these guys are. Absolutely shameful. Dictator Trump wants it his way or your out.


Fired: Trump dumps top lawyer who defied immigration order | Reuters


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0

LOL, well there goes the "hiring freeze" .

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

This administration is a train wreck in motion. What a cluster fuck these guys are. Absolutely shameful. Dictator Trump wants it his way or your out.


Fired: Trump dumps top lawyer who defied immigration order | Reuters


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/u...smtyp=cur&_r=0

It might have been a shitty thing to do but the actual firing comes down to the fact that constitutionally, she was not obeying the law which says they must obey executive orders that are issued. Even the federal judges who "repealed" Trump's order only had the power to temporarily halt it, and even then, they were only allowed to modify the order to allow people with existing visas the ability to travel.

The federal court cannot over-rule the executive branch. What happens next when they meet about this issue again, they will vote, and if Trump gets two thirds of the majority vote from the house and senate, then his order will stand.

The first federal judge to defy Trump's order was a first-year judge trying to make a name for herself. Sally Yates was leftover from the Obama Administration, and even then she was only supposed to be an interim appointment. In both cases, trying to cross the President of the United States was not smart for either person's career.

[CRedskinsRule]

Although at a higher level this is akin to the official who was fired for not validating gay marriages. Its all political theater. Yates was out in a week anyways when Sessions is approved so she took a stand.
Its not very shocking that an Obama hack wouldn't understand the concept of enforcing the law

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[CRedskinsRule]

If Trump's executive order, any of them, were blatantly unconstitutional, then Yates would have been in the right to not defend them in court, and she still likely would have been fired.

But

Trump's order is not unconstitutional - it is not a ban of all Muslims, it is not infringing on the rights of any US naturalized or native born citizen, it does not deny freedom of religious expression or free speech (heck it clearly gives opponents more opportunities to use that valued right), and it is based on existing law that has been used more selectively for the same principle.

We will quickly see how deep Trump's support goes. Clearly the activist base of the Democratic party is energized and out in full force. If Trump's support is broad enough to force the Republican party to stay the course, then these protests could be the last gasp of a dying democratic resistance. If the Republican's in the Senate don't stand with Trump's "movement" then it will flame out, and Trump will be a one term lame duck president.

We seem to be living through a defining epochal in our history.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Trump's order is not unconstitutional - it is not a ban of all Muslims, .

You aren't a lawyer. JR is. That said, the cat is out of the bag thanks to dumbass Giuliani spilling the beans on the "Muslim ban".

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.a065a34624e3

You do realize he campaigned on banning Muslims?
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration

- December 07, 2015 -
​Donald J. Trump Statement on Preventing Muslim Immigration

(New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

So yes, it is unconstitutional.

You know it's bad when the Koch brothers are saying something.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b0fd9c7e0089

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

If Trump's support is broad enough to force the Republican party to stay the course, then these protests could be the last gasp of a dying democratic resistance. If the Republican's in the Senate don't stand with Trump's "movement" then it will flame out, and Trump will be a one term lame duck president.

ROFL? I can safely assure you that the "democratic resistance" is far from dead. Seeing as even 3 million more voted for hillary this past election. This is a fact, if Democrats were to show up to vote each election, the GOP would never win another election. Period.

Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows | Gallup

[Alvin Walton]

Blah blah blah.....another Obama appointee is gone.
Executive authority really sucks when its not wielded by bleeding hearts.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Blah blah blah.....another Obama appointee is gone.

Executive authority really sucks when its not wielded by bleeding hearts.

Are you an old bitter person who lives alone? I bet you are.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Blah blah blah.....another Obama appointee is gone.
Executive authority really sucks when its not wielded by bleeding hearts.

Sally Yates was confirmed as Deputy A.G. by a Republican senate 84-12. Republicans cited her willingness to be independent as her strength.


Executive authority sucks when it's racism. I can't believe you guys actually support this piece of shit. It says a lot about you as individuals.