Heartbreak City: Redskins-Saints Postgame Thread

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Terrelle Pryor having ankle surgery – ProFootballTalk



shocker

I actually forgot about Pryor. Didn’t cross my mind once yesterday. Guess he has not made a lasting impression on me.

[SolidSnake84]

I agree 100% with Schneed and others who have pointed out that Gruden isn't necessarily holding us back, but he isn't exactly moving forward either.

he really is just an 8-8 kind of coach. He might get hot at the right time and you go 10-6, but i think he is absolutely middle of the road. He will never take the team and make it better, just sort of maintain the natural 8-8 equilibrium. Question is, does Snyder let him finish out his extension going 7-9, 8-8, 6-10, etc....

[SFREDSKIN]

I would put in a claim for him now to replace Thompson:

https://247sports.com/nfl/washington...gton-110814166

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

I agree 100% with Schneed and others who have pointed out that Gruden isn't necessarily holding us back, but he isn't exactly moving forward either.



he really is just an 8-8 kind of coach. He might get hot at the right time and you go 10-6, but i think he is absolutely middle of the road. He will never take the team and make it better, just sort of maintain the natural 8-8 equilibrium. Question is, does Snyder let him finish out his extension going 7-9, 8-8, 6-10, etc....

I dont think he is even middle of the road. If, for example, Gruden and every other coach in the league had the same exact team playing each other so it all came down to coaching that he would get schooled every day and twice on Sunday. He doesn’t have the chops. Time to move on.

[skinsfan69]

Hall is on the field cause our 2nd rounder from last year quit. And Nicholson can not even stay on the field for an entire game cause he keeps getting hurt. Not even sure what's going on with Everett.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Hall is on the field cause our 2nd rounder from last year quit. And Nicholson can not even stay on the field for an entire game cause he keeps getting hurt. Not even sure what's going on with Everett.

Like someone else mentioned, cut Hall and promote Fish Smithson from the PS, can’t be any worse.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Like someone else mentioned, cut Hall and promote Fish Smithson from the PS, can’t be any worse.

who the hell is he? another guy off the street??

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

who the hell is he? another guy off the street??

Someone that can be faster than Hall

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Someone that can be faster than Hall

Oh why didn’t you say so. I nominate Edna Fisher. My 90 year old neighbor. She just got a new hip and is ready to go!

[skinsfan69]

Problem is if you fire Gruden who do they hire? You can not get an elite or upcoming coach to come here. Anyone associated w/ the Pats like Vrabel or McDaniels would never come here. Harbaugh would lol if Allen called him. It would have be someone who's crossed paths w/ Allen. Basically another Tampa reject or perhaps Callahan.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Problem is if you fire Gruden who do they hire? You can not get an elite or upcoming coach to come here. Anyone associated w/ the Pats like Vrabel or McDaniels would never come here. Harbaugh would lol if Allen called him. It would have be someone who's crossed paths w/ Allen. Basically another Tampa reject or perhaps Callahan.

There are only 32 HC jobs in the league, if someone wants to be a HC, I don't see too many people turning down the job, especially since we are starting to accumulate some real talent. Talent wise, this will easily be one of the better jobs if Gruden is canned.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Problem is if you fire Gruden who do they hire? You can not get an elite or upcoming coach to come here. Anyone associated w/ the Pats like Vrabel or McDaniels would never come here. Harbaugh would lol if Allen called him. It would have be someone who's crossed paths w/ Allen. Basically another Tampa reject or perhaps Callahan.

I'll take Gruden, in a NY min!

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Originally Posted by Giantone

I'll take Gruden, in a NY min!

Why? What is it about him that is appealing to you? His last name? Lol. U can have him.

[metalskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Problem is if you fire Gruden who do they hire? You can not get an elite or upcoming coach to come here. Anyone associated w/ the Pats like Vrabel or McDaniels would never come here. Harbaugh would lol if Allen called him. It would have be someone who's crossed paths w/ Allen. Basically another Tampa reject or perhaps Callahan.

Yep. This is what people are failing to understand. Who the hell wants to come to Washington when they know they're on a short leash? Look, like it or not, the Redskins franchise has a bit of a reputation for not being the best organization to work for. Whether if that is the case or not, that's the reputation. The sports media pushes that idea, and I'm sure there are groups within the NFL who push that idea. So having said that, if you stick with the same formula of letting a coach go after three or four seasons, just like all the others, then in the eyes of the sports media, in the eyes of other coaches in the league, they see Washington as a place with the least amount of job security. They see Washington as a franchise with a meddlesome owner and a dysfunctional front office. They see it as a place where coaches are always on the hot seat, and coaches are never successful.

Looking at the Eagles, the Chiefs (who are struggling right now by the way), the Rams, and the Vikings, none of those teams have the reputation like the Redskins. Any issues they may have had with the front office were isolated issues that have been corrected. And that correction hasn't just been, simply, the coach. The Redskins continue to have issues and have so since 2001. Simply put, this organization has long past the glory years, and you can't go back and cling to those years and say this is still one of the best franchises to work for, because that is simply not true. It hasn't been true since Jack Kent Cooke died. If, honestly, it was all about going out and getting the best coaching staff for this organization, we would have already done that by now. There's a lot more to the story than simply the coaches. It's all connected. A coach can't become a great coach with a shitty front office. The front office looks horrible with a poorly coached team. The whole organization looks horrible when the ownership is horrible. In my opinion, fixing the front office (like we thought we had done with Scot McCloughan) goes a very long way. If you have the right GM in there that loads your team up with talent, and your coach is only good for 9 wins a season, then it's the coach. But you cannot say this team was loaded with talent. It has a lot of talent on the team, but no depth. The offense is a shell of what it was last year. The defense shows promise but still has a lot of holes to be filled. There's no depth on this team. Those are all front office issues.

If you want a savior coach to come in and bring championships to this club, you've gotta make it an attractive place for him to come and coach. That starts with showing the current guy that you're giving him every chance in the book to prove himself. Right now, the current guy has 6 more games left in his 4th year. Things might be a lot more rosey by the end of the season.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Problem is if you fire Gruden who do they hire? You can not get an elite or upcoming coach to come here. Anyone associated w/ the Pats like Vrabel or McDaniels would never come here. Harbaugh would lol if Allen called him. It would have be someone who's crossed paths w/ Allen. Basically another Tampa reject or perhaps Callahan.

Yeah this makes absolutely no sense. Sorry.

Any offensive-minded head coach would jump at the opportunity to work with Cousins and an offensive line that features Scherff, Trent, and Morgan Moses.

They look at their chances of being successful before they consider the problems that their bosses would present.

Josh McDaniels had Kyle Orton and Tim Tebow in Denver. You don't think he'd love a shot to work with a proven quarterback? If Hue Jackson gets let go from Cleveland, you don't think he'd jump at a shot to work with Cousins after having to put up with dreck in Cleveland?

But the one part of your point I'll concede is that a major reason not to move on from Gruden is that Bruce will be in charge of the hire, which means he'll most likely focus too narrowly and consider only candidates with whom he's had previous experience.

But that's another reason (of many) to fire Allen, it's not a reason to throw up your hands and say well the average Jay Gruden is the best we're going to do.