Black Monday 2022 thread

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

Here is a time line and explanation of how Flores was used to fulfill the Rooney Rule https://larrybrownsports.com/footbal...ent/591390?amp

Then there is this....................


STATEMENT FROM THE NEW YORK GIANTS:

February 3, 2022

Brian Flores has raised serious issues in the filing of his complaint. The specific claims against the Giants and Mr. Flores' allegations about the legitimacy of his candidacy for our head coach position are disturbing and simply false.

After we interviewed six exceptional and diverse candidates, the decision on who we would hire as head coach was made on the evening of January 28, one day after Mr. Flores spent an entire day in our offices going through his second interview for the position, meeting with ownership and other staff members, and receiving a tour of our facility. (See the itinerary below). There is additional concrete and objective evidence to substantiate we did not make our decision until the evening of the 28th.

The allegation that the Giants' decision had been made prior to Friday evening, January 28, is false. And to base that allegation on a text exchange with Bill Belichick in which he ultimately states that he "thinks" Brian Daboll would get the job is irresponsible. The text exchange occurred the day before Coach Daboll's in-person interview even took place. Giants' ownership would never hire a head coach based only on a 20-minute zoom interview, which is all that Mr. Daboll had at that point.

In addition, Mr. Belichick does not speak for and has no affiliation with the Giants. Mr. Belichick's text exchange provides no insight into what actually transpired during our head coaching search.

It has been well documented how much research and due diligence we did on Mr. Flores as it related to his candidacy. John Mara called Mr. Flores two days after he was dismissed in Miami. Mr. Mara expressed to Mr. Flores in that January 12 call that once we had our new general manager in place, we would begin the process of hiring our head coach and we wanted to meet with Mr. Flores because we considered him a serious candidate for the position. Mr. Mara and Mr. Flores then had their first formal conversation in a 25-30 minute zoom call on January 18 (at Mr. Flores' request) to further discuss his candidacy.

In between those initial conversations and Mr. Flores' in-person interview on January 27, there were several other communications between Mr. Flores and members of our organization. This included a dinner with our newly hired general manager, Joe Schoen, the night before Mr. Flores's in-person interview. The consensus from within the Giants organization after this dinner remained that Mr. Flores was an outstanding candidate, and we looked forward to sitting down with him in person the next day.

Our hiring process and, most certainly, our consideration of Mr. Flores was serious and genuine. We are disappointed to learn that Mr. Flores was under the mistaken impression the job had already been awarded.

In his CBS interview yesterday, Mr. Flores was asked if "clubs have the right to hire the person they think is the best qualified for the job or the person they feel is right for them?" Mr. Flores responded "They do. That's very reasonable to me . . .". That is exactly what we did.

We hired Brian Daboll as our head coach at the conclusion of an open and thorough interview process. No decision was made, and no job offer was extended, until the evening of January 28, a full day after Mr. Flores' in-person interview and day-long visit to the Giants.

Brian Flores Interview Itinerary – Head Football Coach

January 27, 2022

8:45am – arrival at Quest (Joe Schoen)

9:00am – meet w/ John Mara, Chris Mara, Steve Tisch, & Joe Schoen

12:00pm – Lunch / Facility Tour – Tim McDonnell

1:00pm – Pat Hanlon/Jen Escalante/Dion Dargin

1:45pm – Ronnie Barnes/Jessie Armstead

2:30pm – Allison Stangeby/Pete Guelli

3:30pm – Joe Schoen

[jamf]

The Jay Gruden coaching tree looks better than belichick

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by jamf

The Jay Gruden coaching tree looks better than belichick

The tree that really is golden is the Shanny. And another one is about to take the Viking HC job. Rams, Packers, San Fran, Bengals and now the Vikings.

[rocnrik]

We certainly have had a lot of very good assistant coaches here ..

[EdmundDorf]

Didn't they interview their old DC, Patrick Graham, at the start to comply with the Rooney rule?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

Didn't they interview their old DC, Patrick Graham, at the start to comply with the Rooney rule?

It was a total of 3 minority candidates for the Giants. You don’t conduct 3 sham interviews, that’s silly and a waste of time.

Flores also met a couple times, including dinner the night before. Again you don’t do that if you are not serious

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by EdmundDorf

Didn't they interview their old DC, Patrick Graham, at the start to comply with the Rooney rule?

In house interviews do not count towards the Rooney Rule. I am also of the understanding that in house promotions do not need to abide by the Rooney Rule. I do not know why, it seems those are strange exemptions. Regardless the Graham interview occurred after the alleged Daboll hire according to the timeline.

[EdmundDorf]

Thanks for the explanation

[AnonEmouse]

The way I read the reporting, while he's named the Giants, Dolphins and Broncos in the suit, he's not suing all for racism directly. He's suing the NFL saying the Rooney Rule is a sham and thereby racist. He's suing the teams for bad faith; Giants interview was apparently post offering Daboll the job, making his interview a sham, the Broncos for interviewing him because they had to (they apparently didn't take the interview seriously by turning up hungover etc.) and the Dolphins case seems more like malfeasance than racism.

Could just be my interpretation of the news stories though.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

The way I read the reporting, while he's named the Giants, Dolphins and Broncos in the suit, he's not suing all for racism directly. He's suing the NFL saying the Rooney Rule is a sham and thereby racist. He's suing the teams for bad faith; Giants interview was apparently post offering Daboll the job, making his interview a sham, the Broncos for interviewing him because they had to (they apparently didn't take the interview seriously by turning up hungover etc.) and the Dolphins case seems more like malfeasance than racism.

Could just be my interpretation of the news stories though.

That is what he is claiming but while some call it a sham lets not forget what happen to the Colts and the Jets when named HC after accepting the job walked away. John Mara called Flores and told him he was high on their list personally but Mara also gave the New GM Schoen the call to make.


To add while the Rooney rule isn't perfect no laws were broken there was no discrimination.

[TheGuyFromOverThere]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

The way I read the reporting, while he's named the Giants, Dolphins and Broncos in the suit, he's not suing all for racism directly. He's suing the NFL saying the Rooney Rule is a sham and thereby racist. He's suing the teams for bad faith; Giants interview was apparently post offering Daboll the job, making his interview a sham, the Broncos for interviewing him because they had to (they apparently didn't take the interview seriously by turning up hungover etc.) and the Dolphins case seems more like malfeasance than racism.

Could just be my interpretation of the news stories though.

I´m not sure that interviewing Person B after offering the job to Person A makes it a sham.

When I was in a team leading position I regularly interviewed people even after sending out an offer to somebody else. Just in case the first candidate didn´t take our offer so we had a backup plan.

Just like when I looked for jobs I had multiple interviews even after being offered a job by a company I interviewed with before.

[BaltimoreSkins]

That should be easy enough to verify. I still hope they are found in violation and have to pay a fine because:
A. It's the Giants
B. I hate the Giants
F. Mara

[sdskinsfan2001]

The Rooney Rule is fucking stupid.

Force teams to interview someone they don't want to hire for the job, then call the interview a sham. Most of them probably are shams, but not always due to racism. I'd wager it's more than often that teams know who they want already and unless something went completely south in that process, that person was getting the job. I believe that's the case with Daboll as it relates to the Giants.

A sham rule will get sham results. Get rid of it.

If teams are too stupid to hire non-white candidates due to racism then that's their problem for limiting their options to find great coaches. Being racist makes your team less competitive on top of being wrong.

Note - I'm not talking about the situation with Flores and any teams involved specifically, this rule has been stupid since its inception. Imo it's patronizing AT BEST to minority candidates.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by BaltimoreSkins

That should be easy enough to verify. I still hope they are found in violation and have to pay a fine because:
A. It's the Giants
B. I hate the Giants
F. Mara

I feel the love , I really do!!!

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I feel the love , I really do!!!

Have nothing but love for you. It is your team and their owner I don't like!