Did anyone else watch Comcast postgame? (Lavar Related)

[That Guy]

#56, like ramsey, he got reps, and he didn't show what he needed to in the few plays he did get. Now that he's in a no rep situation, he'll have to wait his turn to get another shot.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by That Guy

MS offers tech support cause it makes them more money, cusstomer satisfaction does mean much compared to profits. If you think they offer tech support for the love of their customers instead of because of its profitability, THAT'S crazy.

Ugh, we could argue this point all day, but I only used Microsoft as a comparable business analogy, and we're basically saying the same thing. Yes, Microsoft does offer tech support and updates to make more money, but it's not because they charge for tech support directly. Anyone who buys the product and registers it gets free tech support. They do this to keep customers happy and buying their products in the future.

The Redskins organization does basically the same thing when they offer us little bits of information when we want to know why our favorite players aren't on the field. Gibbs told us Ramsey wasn't the starter anymore because Brunell gave them a better chance to win. Many of us were pissed about that and disagreed, but wow, Brunell proved us wrong. Well now they're trying to tell us Holdman is a better linebacker than LaVar, which anyone with half a brain knows isn't the case. None of you devout Gibbs and Williams followers can even bring yourselves to say that.

And as I said before if they're so afraid that LaVar is going to be the sole reason the Redskins lose games, why doesn't every corner or safety get benched when they get beat for a touchdown? Why wasn't Portis benched when he fumbled early in the game last week, which can be argued, "lost us the game"? So in spite of all the differing information that continues to surface, if you can still believe that LaVar was basically the only defensive player who didn't touch the field on any defensive play or special teams play because of his on field performance, I commend your conviction.

[Top-Skin-K]

I really get a kick out of a lot of you guys!!! This is a hall of fame coaching staff and they know exactly what they are doing and how they want it done. Everyone forgets this offseason when LA was upset because we brought him back to soon. OK, he may be 100% now but he missed a lot of training camp and conditioning. He should be getting where he needs to be shape wise. All this trade and release talk of LA is rediculous. He's not going anywhere!!! He just signed a new contract in the offseason. IMO, this all boils down to him not reaching incentives in the contract and for him not to make the pro bowl this year. We don't want him to get his two pro bowls so fast so he can opt to leave. Did anyone see the pressure he put on Matt H. when he was flushed to LA's side and LA was on him like he stole something. Matt H. ended up throwing the ball away but it was an errant pass; possible turnover. We don't want to give that up, believe me. When LA can't make it to the pro bowl we will see more of him. IMO

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, you kill me. How out of touch can you be?? ALL OF SUDDEN? Jesus F'ing christ, LA has ALWAYS been a freelancer - even at Penn State. Remember Marvin Lewis?? Or how about how LA and the rest of the LB's just sorta did their own thing under Edwards? LA is incapable of playing disciplined football. Show me one reporter/analyst/player or coach who has complimented LA on his disciplined play. I have been reading about LA's inability to play disciplined ball in ANY system since the time immemorial. Apparently, the current set of coaches simply aren't gonna put up with it.


First, although a pro bowler, and capable of big plays, LaVar was never considered "one of the most dominant linebackers in the game". He always bordered on being recognized around the league as such, but something seemed to hold him back in the view of players from other teams (hmmmmm ... wonder what it could have been).


Yes. I thought I explained the logic of it in my previous post. Simply put: Until you demonstrate your ability to play within the system, you will be given LESS not MORE responsibility.


By demonstrating in practice and in games your inability to do EXACTLY what you are asked to do. Just give me one reference point outside of LA himself that says LA is being given a bum ride - that his athleticism more than compensates for the gains given up by his breakdowns in discipline.


NO ONE from the organization has disparaged LA's attitude or work ethic. It is clear, to me at least, that the coaches WANT LaVar to play more, that they love his athleticism, but that they just don't trust his ability to play disciplined ball right now.

GW came in believing LaVar could be a big performer for him - I was there draft day 2004 when, in response to a question from the crowd "how will you generate more sacks", Gibbs said he thought the personnel on the roster would be capable of doing that. As Gibbs said this- GW was standing behind him and flashed a hand signal to the crowd - five, six - . These coaches expected LA to play big for them and he, LA, failed to live up to their expectations. It is as simple as that.

Good work. However, I don't totally buy he's not in because he's incapable of playing within or picking up the system. Time will tell....and we'll all be happy and continue to love the Skins.

[BigRed]

From the Mortensen chat on ESPN:


Oz (D.C.): Mort, what's the deal with Lavar and the Skins coaching staff? They say he's being benched fro practicing poorly but he says he doesn't get reps in practice! I find it hard to believe but is this punishment for his contract dispute?

Chris Mortensen: (11:14 AM ET ) I believe it's a bit of everything - contract, his unwillingness to play within the system, not attending one off-season workout (or so I heard), etc.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigRed

From the Mortensen chat on ESPN:


Oz (D.C.): Mort, what's the deal with Lavar and the Skins coaching staff? They say he's being benched fro practicing poorly but he says he doesn't get reps in practice! I find it hard to believe but is this punishment for his contract dispute?

Chris Mortensen: (11:14 AM ET ) I believe it's a bit of everything - contract, his unwillingness to play within the system, not attending one off-season workout (or so I heard), etc.

I can buy that.

Perhaps there are multiple issues as Mort says, either way the staff has their justified reasons.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

If the man is saying he's not getting any reps in practice, then how is he going to get the assignments down.

Can you get it through your hard damn head that maybe JUST F*&^ING MAYBE Lavar is full of sh*t and actaully does get a reasonable amount of snaps? You take his saying that he doesn't as gospel. Open your eyes man! Can't you see you're being snowed by your emotions on this one. I love Lavar as a player too but I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't feel he was getting enough reps unless he was getting EVERY REP. His definition of enough reps and the coaches is probably vastly different. If you want to argue he isn't getting enough reps don't do it solely based on what Lavar says. We really have no reason to believe anything he says since as Matty pointed out "Lavar is always the victim".

[FRPLG]

Anyone else think #56fanatic might actually be Lavar?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Anyone else think #56fanatic might actually be Lavar?

I totally think #56 is LaVar.

[MTK]

If LaVar is here perhaps that's his problem, too much Warpath and not enough work!

I think we all can relate!

LOL

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I totally think #56 is LaVar.

NO he's not LaVar and i for 1 am in total 2000% agreement with #56 this thing is sick and it stinks...watch and see how this comes out and watch where he goes and then watch him totally terrorizes the skins ...its personal and Gibbs and that lying dog williams are lying ..You can slowly see the Defense fall apart week by week werent we #2 well we're #5 now wanna bet #7 next week anytakers???

I wont be as nice this sux ..Williams is making a point that he can do it without Lavar his liitle ego is hurt ..Like he's bigger than Lavar ..in the mean time u have scrubs that cant even carry the wrapper Lavar's jock came in starting ahead of him what a joke...
Lavar cant play in a system well watch that system its crumbling slowly ..a run here a loss here...

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Can you get it through your hard damn head that maybe JUST F*&^ING MAYBE Lavar is full of sh*t and actaully does get a reasonable amount of snaps? You take his saying that he doesn't as gospel. Open your eyes man! Can't you see you're being snowed by your emotions on this one. I love Lavar as a player too but I'd be willing to bet he wouldn't feel he was getting enough reps unless he was getting EVERY REP. His definition of enough reps and the coaches is probably vastly different. If you want to argue he isn't getting enough reps don't do it solely based on what Lavar says. We really have no reason to believe anything he says since as Matty pointed out "Lavar is always the victim".

First, dont talk to me like that. This is a chat where people voice their opinion, thats mine. If you dont like it, or dont agree with it, fine. Thats your opinion and you are entitled to one. Just because I feel the organization is crapping on LaVar doesn't mean you feel the same way. There are alot of people in this that side with both of us. If thats the way you are going to respond to my remarks, then dont respond. I really dont feel it necessary. I dont believe I have said anything harsh or profain lased to you, in fact I know I havn't. So, apology accepted. lets move on.

[FRPLG]

No apology offered. I think your views on the situation are misguided and uninformed. I think they take into consideration only what suits your argument with prejudice for what does not. I think your far too emotionally attached to one player rather than being attached to the team. You are being hard headed without good reason or fact and when it comes down to it your arguments are not just weak but unfathomably asanine.

As far as how I respond to you I will respond how I please. If I think your are right I will say so and if I think you are right I will say so.

If I think your a retarded moron I would say that and if I thought you were a brilliant genius I would say that. I think based on your comments that your are none of these. Rather I see you as someone who is so emotionally attached to one guy that it clouds your judgement of the situation.

Notice how I haven't really reposnded to others on this too much. My last several posts have been about your thoughts but have strangely been ignored by you as I posed some questions you seem unwilling to answer. That leads me to believe you really have no argument much beyond "Well, just because!".

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

No apology offered. I think your views on the situation are misguided and uninformed. I think they take into consideration only what suits your argument with prejudice for what does not. I think your far too emotionally attached to one player rather than being attached to the team. You are being hard headed without good reason or fact and when it comes down to it your arguments are not just weak but unfathomably asanine.

As far as how I respond to you I will respond how I please. If I think your are right I will say so and if I think you are right I will say so.

If I think your a retarded moron I would say that and if I thought you were a brilliant genius I would say that. I think based on your comments that your are none of these. Rather I see you as someone who is so emotionally attached to one guy that it clouds your judgement of the situation.

Notice how I haven't really reposnded to others on this too much. My last several posts have been about your thoughts but have strangely been ignored by you as I posed some questions you seem unwilling to answer. That leads me to believe you really have no argument much beyond "Well, just because!".

I haven't seen any of your questions. Ask away, I always enjoy aswering them. I dont know that any of my answers are misguided on misinformed as I get them from the horses mouth, but thats ok too. Yes I am a HUGE fan of LaVar, I do think he is a better player than Holdman and Clemons, but I am all so grateful that we are finally winning. I think our defense is playing good football, I also THINK(key word) that we would be as good, possible better with him on the field. Its not anyones fault that some of us think there is a deeper meaning to LaVar not playing, rather than not learning the system. And I do hope that comes to not be the case. Maybe GW is right, who knows, no one knows whats going on at Redskins park, at least none of us on this chat. Dont be so angry with someone expressing the way they feel or the opinions they have. Just because you dont agree, or maybe my opinions are wrong, who cares they are opinions. I have never attacked you or your statements, and as a Redskin fan first and foremost I am extremely happy we are winning. LaVar is the 2nd story, it just so happens to be a VERY BIG story. feel free to ask your questions if you have any, if you want to start bashing, I might join in, might not, just depends on how I feel.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Guys, I think that both of you are taking it a bit personally. We're WINNING fellas, whether an opinion is misguided or uninformed, that's no reason to get upset over this.

You'd think an opposing team's fan had come to the board.

Chiiiill.