When is Enough ,Enough?

[Giantone]

Wanted to start a new thread with this but thought better.

This is so true........

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-pest...050003433.html

Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over!

You’d be forgiven if you hadn’t noticed. His verbal bombshells are louder than ever, but Donald J Trump is no longer president of the United States.


By having no constructive response to any of the monumental crises now convulsing America, Trump has abdicated his office.

He is not governing. He’s golfing, watching cable TV and tweeting.

How has Trump responded to the widespread unrest following the murder in Minneapolis of George Floyd, a black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for minutes as he was handcuffed on the ground?

Trump called the protesters “thugs” and threatened to have them shot. “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted, parroting a former Miami police chief whose words spurred race riots in the late 1960s.

On Saturday, he gloated about “the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons” awaiting protesters outside the White House, should they ever break through Secret Service lines.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Wanted to start a new thread with this but thought better.

This is so true........

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fire-pest...050003433.html

Fire, pestilence and a country at war with itself: the Trump presidency is over!

You’d be forgiven if you hadn’t noticed. His verbal bombshells are louder than ever, but Donald J Trump is no longer president of the United States.


By having no constructive response to any of the monumental crises now convulsing America, Trump has abdicated his office.

He is not governing. He’s golfing, watching cable TV and tweeting.

How has Trump responded to the widespread unrest following the murder in Minneapolis of George Floyd, a black man who died after a white police officer knelt on his neck for minutes as he was handcuffed on the ground?

Trump called the protesters “thugs” and threatened to have them shot. “When the looting starts, the shooting starts,” he tweeted, parroting a former Miami police chief whose words spurred race riots in the late 1960s.

On Saturday, he gloated about “the most vicious dogs, and most ominous weapons” awaiting protesters outside the White House, should they ever break through Secret Service lines.

Well, at this point, some of the protests are getting crazy. We can't let the country burn down from protests, i'm not siding with Trump here, but these states are doing the right thing with having the military deployed to restore order. And that being said, the military should restore order by any means necessary.

lots of people are going to die unfortunately, because you know someone, or a group, is going to try and engage the U.S. Military in open combat out on the streets and i only expect it to be a massacre. Some military people will probably be killed during it, that is the nature of something like this.

The military's job is to protect the country from threats both foreign and Domestic. So in my opinion, once our citizens become the enemy and the normal police / response units cannot restore order, the military needs to neutralize the threat(s).

[Buffalo Bob]

When are they going to bring out the water cannons?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by mooby

97 million people is almost a third of what the US has. Sure, not the same, but Vietnam isn't some small country.

How about this? The country with the 2nd most confirmed cases is Brazil, with 465k confirmed. The #1 country? The US, with 1.7 million confirmed cases.

How about top 5 countries by population?

1. China: 1.4 billion people, 84k confirmed cases, ranked #16 (I'll even grant you that number is horseshit because China has state-run media).
2. India: 1.3 billion people, 181k confirmed cases, ranked #9
3. United States: 327 million people, 1.7 mil confirmed cases, easily ranked #1 with almost 3.5 times the amount of cases as #2
4. Indonesia, 267 million people, 25k confirmed cases, ranked #33
5. Pakistan, 212 million people, 66k confirmed cases, ranked #18

How many of those other countries have an entire political party convinced the 'rona is nothing major, led by a President who didn't take it seriously for 2 months?

You laugh off Vietnam as a joke because 97 million people couldn't possibly compare to 327 million, but you know what the difference is? They were aggressive in January, banning flights from Wuhan first, doing aggressive contact tracing and isolating anyone connected. And their people didn't try and fight it either, they trusted the doctors and science and quarantined themselves until they knew it was safe.

A smart population, led by smart government who deferred to the experts from the start = 0 deaths, out of 97 million people. We'll be lucky if COVID is done by next year. Too many idiots demanding the public be reopened while we haven't even contained it yet.

P.S. I agree with Killer Mike, but let's not pretend you'd be shitting on him too if he was up there saying "hey guys, it's ok to have an issue with CNN being biased, but let's not damage their property ok?"

P.P.S. I'll never take you seriously if you won't lump Fox News into the same boat as CNN. They both do the same shit, present opinions from paid contributors with slanted coverage to tell the people how to think.

You know who laughed off the Wuhan virus in January too? The entire media and experts, your memory is short...stop trying to rewrite history. The only person talking about the virus was Republican Jim Cotton and he was accused of conspiracy theories and laughed out by the media. There is a collection of 50 plus headlines from the mainstream media saying don’t worry about caronvirus

Mooby you know what you were doing in January? Bitching about the country killing a fucking terrorist...claiming ww3 had started and bitching about an impeachment which was a political failure and a nothing burger from the start. People accused the president of racism when he imposed the China travel ban...seriously.

But yes Vietnam...lol. Go ahead and cherry pick the stats that support a narrative of how terrible the country Is and avoid the others that say our response has been inline and have avoided large death rates in other countries. You list China for some reason to promote their propaganda agenda while evidence exist in based on urn supply chain which suggest An increase of 40,000 Deaths in Wuhan alone in a 2 month period.

But yes, round of applause for...checks note...Vietnam. Where have a third of the deaths occurred here? Any criticism for the outlier...you know CNN has the brothers on to do their comedy routine recently.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

You know who laughed off the Wuhan virus in January too? The entire media and experts, your memory is short...stop trying to rewrite history. The only person talking about the virus was Republican Jim Cotton and he was accused of conspiracy theories and laughed out by the media. There is a collection of 50 plus headlines from the mainstream media saying don’t worry about caronvirus

If there's that many go ahead and prove it. Give me 1/5th of them. Mainstream media sources too, since you are clearly on top of it.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by mooby

If there's that many go ahead and prove it. Give me 1/5th of them. Mainstream media sources too, since you are clearly on top of it.

Aye Chico I'm still waiting on those links.

Oh wait nevermind I found it.

Look at all these Democrats saying the 'rona ain't no thang!!!!!!



You just keep talking out of your ass though.

[MTK]

It’s possible to be against the looting but also understand why some people are fed the fuck up


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[Buffalo Bob]

No excuse for rogue cops who abuse their authority, they need to fry. On the other hand why does the left always ignore what the "victim" of police brutality did to cause the negative reaction with police in the first place? On this latest incident, George Floyd tried to pass counterfeit money and resisted arrest. Last I checked, almost always victims of police brutality were not 100% innocent citizens, they initiated the events that led to the bad outcome.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

No excuse for rogue cops who abuse their authority, they need to fry. On the other hand why does the left always ignore what the "victim" of police brutality did to cause the negative reaction with police in the first place? On this latest incident, George Floyd tried to pass counterfeit money and resisted arrest. Last I checked, almost always victims of police brutality were not 100% innocent citizens, they initiated the events that led to the bad outcome.

Four supposedly train Police Officers couldn't handle one man who was UNARMED already in handcuffs and on the ground. Fuck that!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

No excuse for rogue cops who abuse their authority, they need to fry. On the other hand why does the left always ignore what the "victim" of police brutality did to cause the negative reaction with police in the first place? On this latest incident, George Floyd tried to pass counterfeit money and resisted arrest. Last I checked, almost always victims of police brutality were not 100% innocent citizens, they initiated the events that led to the bad outcome.

Get the F out with this garbage


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[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

No excuse for rogue cops who abuse their authority, they need to fry. On the other hand why does the left always ignore what the "victim" of police brutality did to cause the negative reaction with police in the first place? On this latest incident, George Floyd tried to pass counterfeit money and resisted arrest. Last I checked, almost always victims of police brutality were not 100% innocent citizens, they initiated the events that led to the bad outcome.

Good morning bob .. hope all is well.

If your first sentence says there is no excuse for police exceeding their authority and they need to fry .... whey then spend the next 5 sentences making excuses. I think this particular case was so blatant, so unnecessary that even very pro blue cannot justify or excuse this particular death.

“Almost all” ... I would challenge that. A woman a nurse was killed by the police while she was sleeping in bed a few weeks ago. A aunt was shot and killed through her home window playing video games with her nephew she was babysitting.

The police need to be held to a higher standard than they currently are in this country. The use of lethal force should be the extreme last resort. I understand police can be on edge responding to a report of a guy with a gun but when you have the guy on the ground begging for his life and your yelling him instructions to crawl to you and he does and you shot him 30 times? The guy a dad a pest control guy is dead and the cop is getting over 30k pension for the rest of his life.

Police culture needs to change.

The narrative that cops don’t lie needs to change.

The police thinking they can pull the trigger at any slight thought needs to change.

What’s the solution? Hell if I know man ...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Good morning bob .. hope all is well.

If your first sentence says there is no excuse for police exceeding their authority and they need to fry .... whey then spend the next 5 sentences making excuses. I think this particular case was so blatant, so unnecessary that even very pro blue cannot justify or excuse this particular death.

“Almost all” ... I would challenge that. A woman a nurse was killed by the police while she was sleeping in bed a few weeks ago. A aunt was shot and killed through her home window playing video games with her nephew she was babysitting.

The police need to be held to a higher standard than they currently are in this country. The use of lethal force should be the extreme last resort. I understand police can be on edge responding to a report of a guy with a gun but when you have the guy on the ground begging for his life and your yelling him instructions to crawl to you and he does and you shot him 30 times? The guy a dad a pest control guy is dead and the cop is getting over 30k pension for the rest of his life.

Police culture needs to change.

The narrative that cops don’t lie needs to change.

The police thinking they can pull the trigger at any slight thought needs to change.

What’s the solution? Hell if I know man ...

Well said, and I agree about the solution. A lot needs to change but how we get there is a mystery.

[MTK]

I can remember back to Jan and Feb when it seemed like every night it was all about covid-19 on the nightly news and feeling like it was a bit overkill considering we barely had any cases. Then March came around.

[Chico23231]

The George Floyd video...the anger I feel watching that is equivalent to the anger I feel when I see the video of the 9/11 terrorist attack. I think was gets me is the casual hand in the pocket by the officer. It infuriates me

I stand with all the peaceful protesters...all the officers should be charged

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

The George Floyd video...the anger I feel watching that is equivalent to the anger I feel when I see the video of the 9/11 terrorist attack. I think was gets me is the casual hand in the pocket by the officer. It infuriates me

I stand with all the peaceful protesters...all the officers should be charged

Part of the problem i think is that the average citizen isn't doing enough when they see cops doing wrong and / or blatantly murdering a man like was the case with George Floyd.

A mob of people are standing around recording the cops but nobody was willing to tackle the MF'er so that a life could be saved.

I told my wife on Sunday and we both agreed, that if we come across something like that, I will do what i can to save a life. If that means engaging a cop or restraining him, etc., then so be it.