When is Enough ,Enough?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Interaction with police will lead to your death. 60 million interactions a year across this country.

Yeah but when it does typically it's a black man involved. And really isn't that the big picture issue we're talking about? A long established history of racial inequality and the police overstepping time and time again when it comes to minorities.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Yeah but when it does typically it's a black man involved. And really isn't that the big picture issue we're talking about? A long established history of racial inequality and the police overstepping time and time again when it comes to minorities.

There is a prior history and it’s been acknowledged by everyone. Systematic changes have been made...improvements everywhere. Are there areas we can improve? absolutely. Better training, oversight and a weeding out of bad cops....but we can’t loose our heads and that’s what happening in the last 36 hours. The data shows 9 black unarmed killed last year by police...I don’t know the stories. 19 white unarmed.

The looting and rioting is unacceptable period. The killing of George Floyd is unacceptable period. The media spin is helping fuel this as usual, the dishonesty is offensive.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Yeah but when it does typically it's a black man involved. And really isn't that the big picture issue we're talking about? A long established history of racial inequality and the police overstepping time and time again when it comes to minorities.

More whites are killed by police than black people, it just never gets the media coverage, and no one riots over it. Speaking of racial inequality of minorities, ever look at crime statistics for Asians? Ever look at the rate they get killed by police? They are better behaved than the average white person, and less likely on a percentage basis to get killed by a cop than a white person.

Asians have been victims of racism in this country for decades all the way back to Chinese railroad workers working in miserable conditions for next to nothing pay as recent immigrants after the civil war. Didn't we round up all the Japanese and put them in internment camps during WWII?

How have Asians been able to over come obstacles that other minorities that were discriminated against could not? I think my answer would be their culture. I worked at a company that had lots of Asian workers. They spoke of disciplined up bringing and strong family values. If an Asian boy brought home bad grades or hung out with the wrong crowd you could bet he would be in for a rough time from his parents. I often heard people make fun of Asians at that job in the early 90's. There was one rather large guy who couldn't stop referring to them as dog eaters sometimes right to their face. He unfortunately did not work under me so I could not send him to the unemployment line. His boss just thought his behavior was funny.

[MTK]

Just a crazy question but why is tear gas forbidden to use in war but ok to use on civilians?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Just a crazy question but why is tear gas forbidden to use in war but ok to use on civilians?

Because effective and non lethal? We can’t blow bubbles on them MTK.

[MTK]

Between 2013 and 2019, police in the United States killed 7,666 people, according to data compiled by Mapping Police Violence, a research and advocacy group. On May 25, 2020 at 9:25pm (02:25 GMT, May 26), George Floyd, a 46-year-old resident of Minnesota, became yet another victim of police brutality as he was killed in police custody while unarmed. Floyd's death has prompted thousands of protesters to march in cities around the country demanding justice and an end to police violence.

The number of police killings in the US disproportionately affects African Americans. Despite only making up 13 percent of the US population, Black Americans are two-and-a-half times as likely as white Americans to be killed by the police.

Unsurprisingly, the three largest states - California, Texas and Florida - have the highest total number of killings of Black people by police officers. Once these figures are adjusted for the population size and demographics, in nearly every state, African Americans face a significantly higher risk of being killed by police officers than white Americans.

In Utah, the African Americans comprise just 1.06 percent of the population but they accounted for 10 percent of police killings over the past seven years - a disproportional rate of 9.21 times. In Minnesota, Black Americans are nearly four times as likely to be killed by law enforcement, with Black victims comprising 20 percent of those killed, despite comprising only 5 percent of the overall population.

Mapping US police killings of Black Americans

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Between 2013 and 2019, police in the United States killed 7,666 people, according to data compiled by Mapping Police Violence, a research and advocacy group. On May 25, 2020 at 9:25pm (02:25 GMT, May 26), George Floyd, a 46-year-old resident of Minnesota, became yet another victim of police brutality as he was killed in police custody while unarmed. Floyd's death has prompted thousands of protesters to march in cities around the country demanding justice and an end to police violence.

The number of police killings in the US disproportionately affects African Americans. Despite only making up 13 percent of the US population, Black Americans are two-and-a-half times as likely as white Americans to be killed by the police.

Unsurprisingly, the three largest states - California, Texas and Florida - have the highest total number of killings of Black people by police officers. Once these figures are adjusted for the population size and demographics, in nearly every state, African Americans face a significantly higher risk of being killed by police officers than white Americans.

In Utah, the African Americans comprise just 1.06 percent of the population but they accounted for 10 percent of police killings over the past seven years - a disproportional rate of 9.21 times. In Minnesota, Black Americans are nearly four times as likely to be killed by law enforcement, with Black victims comprising 20 percent of those killed, despite comprising only 5 percent of the overall population.

Mapping US police killings of Black Americans

This is such a bad article on so many levels and speaks to manipulate stats for a narrative. Never mind the resource is from an anti police group.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is such a bad article on so many levels and speaks to manipulate stats for a narrative. Never mind the resource is from an anti police group.

Show me evidence the numbers are wrong

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

Between 2013 and 2019, police in the United States killed 7,666 people, according to data compiled by Mapping Police Violence, a research and advocacy group. On May 25, 2020 at 9:25pm (02:25 GMT, May 26), George Floyd, a 46-year-old resident of Minnesota, became yet another victim of police brutality as he was killed in police custody while unarmed. Floyd's death has prompted thousands of protesters to march in cities around the country demanding justice and an end to police violence.

The number of police killings in the US disproportionately affects African Americans. Despite only making up 13 percent of the US population, Black Americans are two-and-a-half times as likely as white Americans to be killed by the police.

Unsurprisingly, the three largest states - California, Texas and Florida - have the highest total number of killings of Black people by police officers. Once these figures are adjusted for the population size and demographics, in nearly every state, African Americans face a significantly higher risk of being killed by police officers than white Americans.

In Utah, the African Americans comprise just 1.06 percent of the population but they accounted for 10 percent of police killings over the past seven years - a disproportional rate of 9.21 times. In Minnesota, Black Americans are nearly four times as likely to be killed by law enforcement, with Black victims comprising 20 percent of those killed, despite comprising only 5 percent of the overall population.

Mapping US police killings of Black Americans

According to the US Department of Justice, African Americans accounted for 52.5% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with Whites 45.3% and "Other" 2.2%.

You think the above might contribute to interactions with police ending badly?

[MTK]

Risk of Police-Involved Death by Race/Ethnicity and Place, United States, 2012–2018

[MTK]

I don't get into victim blaming sorry

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't get into victim blaming sorry

So no context to blanket stats? Don’t you want to know if the subjects are armed or not? Suicide by cop scenarios?

I know the violent crime stats are tough discussions but I guess it’s easier to say use the blanket stats.

So for one, the data can’t be trusted the resources has a preferred outcome. When I went to access the data when it was small it wouldn’t let me see more info. Just use the fbi crime stats or Wash Post had a good link. Also they decided to use ratio and percentages when the numbers were small. The Utah cherry pick is so poor as well, like the whitest state to inflate the overall ratio...if the number was 8, U could look cases by case for root cause.

What I want to know is the 9 deaths of unarmed black persons last year, what’s the story? Who was the victim and who was the cop who killed them? It wouldn’t take long for the Wash Post or NYT to do that.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't get into victim blaming sorry

So are you saying everyone killed by police is a "victim"?

George Floyd was obviously a victim of a cop that should have had his badge taken ages ago. Pretty sure incidents like his are a small percentage of the cop killings. They are just the ones that get all the publicity. Police average almost 1,000 killings a year we only hear about the ones that are obviously unjustified or questionable.

[Buffalo Bob]

This is just as disgusting as George Floyd and then some as there were more participants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

There were only a handful of local protests. That is the town I went to High School in. I don't remember this getting much coverage as the victim was a small white homeless man. Most bad cops are equal opportunity victimizers but if it happens to a minority every Democrat immediately screams racism.

I always wonder what the root cause of bad cops is. Is it the type of person attracted to the job or does the job turn good people bad?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

This is just as disgusting as George Floyd and then some as there were more participants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Kelly_Thomas

There were only a handful of local protests. That is the town I went to High School in. I don't remember this getting much coverage as the victim was a small white homeless man. Most bad cops are equal opportunity victimizers but if it happens to a minority every Democrat immediately screams racism.

I always wonder what the root cause of bad cops is. Is it the type of person attracted to the job or does the job turn good people bad?

Probably some of both. Cops generally don’t make a ton of money, but it’s something you can get without higher education and you get to carry a gun and boss people around. That’s going to attract a lot of stupid, ignorant people who want power.

I can also see many good well meaning people being worn down by being surrounded by so many officers who fit into the previous category.


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