Can We Bench Brunell Now

[FRPLG]

The play calling was atrocious but let's be honest. We didn't execute the plays that were called. It is not like we were playing some great pass defense that was also a terrible run defense. They were terrible at run D and barely passable as a pass D. We should have pounded it but we also should have been able to execute a passing offense too pretty successfully.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i have an idea why. Portis is easy to commit to and stop if your team poses no vertical air threat. Saunders ran the ball alot using Moss and Randle El, so that Portis wasn't the only ground threat to key on. clever attempt to hide your offense's vulnerabilty (Brunell and his middle of the field phobia), but alas keeping everyone within 10yds of the line of schrimmage stopped our screens too. sigh

BINGO!!!!!!

[bigm29]

Im a Brunell defender and even i say start Campbell

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

2) he is almost incapable of throwing intermediate passes. We have complained all along that he doesn't have the arm to go downfield. That is not the problem. He has plenty enough arm to chuck the ball downfield and let fast WRs get to it. He doesn't NOT have the arm to throw a well time and accurate 20 yard seam route in between 2 defenders. Now that is a hard throw but it is throw a good QB can make. He missed 5-6 intermediate throws today and I'd say that he should be expected to have hit 3 of them. I mean on several of them they weren't even close.

This, to me, is the real damning evidence against Brunnell. When he has time, he can rear back and fire the deep ball (not particularly nicely, but whatever), but he just cannot hit these crucial mid-range passes. This is the pass that beats the cover 2, IMO. In between CBs and Safties, Safties and LBs, etc. You beat a zone by sitting in the soft sopts or running in the seams. MB can't do that. And, obviously, this is a big part of any offense, especially Saunders, with its shifts and mismatches. Campbell has the arm to do this. Yes, Iknow, he doesn't have expereince reading Ds, and so he's going to throw INTs. But he's gotta learn sometime, and MB ISN'T GETTING IT DONE ANYWAY. Good post, FRPLG (I think of you as "Fur Plug"--what does this stand for, btw? )

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JWsleep

Good post, FRPLG (I think of you as "Fur Plug"--what does this stand for, btw? )

Fire Plug. Old nick name. Retarded one too but it became my online persona.

[JWsleep]

Ahhh. thanks. "Fur plug" is pretty cool, too, especially given the cool Portis avatar you're sporting these days.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by illdefined

i have an idea why. Portis is easy to commit to and stop if your team poses no vertical air threat. Saunders ran the ball alot using Moss and Randle El, so that Portis wasn't the only ground threat to key on. clever attempt to hide your offense's vulnerabilty (Brunell and his middle of the field phobia), but alas keeping everyone within 10yds of the line of schrimmage stopped our screens too. sigh

but portis was still getting good runs. you'd think they'd wait until he actually got stuffed repeatedly instead of saying, "he's gonna get stuffed. let's pass."

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

but portis was still getting good runs. you'd think they'd wait until he actually got stuffed repeatedly instead of saying, "he's gonna get stuffed. let's pass."

true...they seemed to give up on one of the best things that our team has going for it to early on......

maybe to try to please the fans???

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.

but portis was still getting good runs. you'd think they'd wait until he actually got stuffed repeatedly instead of saying, "he's gonna get stuffed. let's pass."

hey i hear you, but we got all these playmakers besides Portis we should get the ball to. that would require Brunell to test the secondary and pass though, which we know ain't happening, so Saunders' solution was to dink it to them or worse yet, just hand it to them in the backfield.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by illdefined

hey i hear you, but we got all these playmakers besides Portis we should get the ball to. that would require Brunell to test the secondary and pass though, which we know ain't happening, so Saunders' solution was to dink it to them or worse yet, just hand it to them in the backfield.

agreed

running the reverse to Moss' was ok, when it worked but, you have to use your talent in the way that gets the best results...look what happened when Randle-El carried the ball...he fumbled like a freshman RB str8 outta highschool.....

[Daseal]

Im sticking with Fur Plug.

[JET]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It should have been thank you Al Saunders for not pounding the rock all day long. 14 carries for Portis... that's not Redskins football.

I don't know, that runs kind of long for a locker room post game chant.

[steveo395]

I was at the game, Brunell had open guys deep all game. Lloyd could have caught about 3 deep balls. Thrash was open deep over the middle about 3 times. They literally didn't even cover him. Cooley was open deep over the middle once or twice. Brunell doesn't even look downfield. He is too afraid to throw the ball, especially if it is over the middle. There is no way that we could do any worse with Campbell.

Even if Brunell does do good next week, it doesn't matter. He is too inconsistent to be effective. He'll have 2 or 3 bad games for every good game he has. Then each good game lets him keep his job for those bad games. I don't see how anyone can say that we could do any worse with Campbell. At least Campbell will get better.

I know the defense is a problem too, but that is not what this thread is about and Brunell is playing terribly.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I must say that it is surprising that Brunell appears to be looking to Moss and forcing things his way. As a smart veteran, I would expect him to be able to look at multiple receivers for the open guy.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by steveo395

I was at the game, Brunell had open guys deep all game. Lloyd could have caught about 3 deep balls. Thrash was open deep over the middle about 3 times. They literally didn't even cover him. Cooley was open deep over the middle once or twice. Brunell doesn't even look downfield. He is too afraid to throw the ball, especially if it is over the middle. There is no way that we could do any worse with Campbell.

That's what I've been wondering. Watching on TV, you cannot see if the receivers are getting separation. If they can get open, does Brunell not see it? Does he feel he doesn't have enough time to get the ball there because of pressure from the D-line?

Brunell wasn't really harassed by the Titans pass rush. There were a few roll-outs, but that's about it.

For all the lock-step Brunell defenders, I keep asking these questions: Is the O-line playing horribly, so much so that Brunell has no chance to find the open receiver? When the team commits to the run, are they having problems running? Did Moss, Randle El, Cooley and Lloyd suddenly forget how to separate from their defenders? If not, then what's the common denominator here?