The legacy of 'W'?

[saden1]

getting back to bush:

Liar Liar Pants on Fire!

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

getting back to bush:

Liar Liar Pants on Fire!

LOL...there is progress. 3K+ americans dead is not nearly as bad as it could be. Do you feel Iraq is exactly the same as it was when we started this war?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...there is progress. 3K+ americans dead is not nearly as bad as it could be. Do you feel Iraq is exactly the same as it was when we started this war?

It might be marginally better but that's not good enough. I suppose I'm biased because I expected us to fail when we went in. That doesn't mean I wanted us to fail, it just means I was cognizant of reality of what it would mean to "win" and how difficult of a task it would be. Plus, I understand the concept of sunk cost.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by saden1

It might be marginally better but that's not good enough. I suppose I'm biased because I expected us to fail when we went in. That doesn't mean I wanted us to fail, it just means I was cognizant of reality of what it would mean to "win" and how difficult of a task it would be. Plus, I understand the concept of sunk cost.

Iraq has a completely new government from head to toe...how is that not progress?
We really can't view it as a win or loss scenario. What would constitute a "win"?

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Iraq has a completely new government from head to toe...how is that not progress?
We really can't view it as a win or loss scenario. What would constitute a "win"?

Why don't you ask the president and crew:

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by jsarno

LOL...there is progress. 3K+ americans dead is not nearly as bad as it could be. Do you feel Iraq is exactly the same as it was when we started this war?

Iraq isn't the same, but no country is. after all the money, and lives lost, i think people expect alot more then they are seeing. its time for them to step up, and us to get the hell out.

[SmootSmack]

This one always cracks me up. Granted, it tends to ignore that the world change significantly since 2001. Still, it never hurts to have a good laugh

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[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I think he will go down as someone who tried to make the right deicisions but got bashed no matter what he did.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I think he will go down as someone who tried to make the right deicisions but got bashed no matter what he did.

True...he is truely someone that is PC to bash. More so than any other president in history.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

True...he is truely someone that is PC to bash. More so than any other president in history.

I think it's the era we live in now. Back in the day, there was limited media coverage and the relationship between press and politicians was significantly tighter so FDR could hide his polio, JFK could hide his women.

Now a days, everyone is on mission for the "truth" and determined-more than ever it seems-to find fault in leaders and newsmakers. And all you needs is a computer and an Internet connection to fire up a blog and spread your message out to the world.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think it's the era we live in now. Back in the day, there was limited media coverage and the relationship between press and politicians was significantly tighter so FDR could hide his polio, JFK could hide his women.

Now a days, everyone is on mission for the "truth" and determined-more than ever it seems-to find fault in leaders and newsmakers. And all you needs is a computer and an Internet connection to fire up a blog and spread your message out to the world.

That's very true.
I'm surprised that Bush hasn't been impeached yet. The only two ever to go through that is Nixon and Clinton.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

That's very true.
I'm surprised that Bush hasn't been impeached yet. The only two ever to go through that is Nixon and Clinton.

You know, I've always thought Clinton's impeachment was complete b.s. but after watching the last episode of Bill Moyers Journal I completely changed my mind. I think bringing up impeachment proceedings was the right thing to do. It was unfortunate that it was politicized and wasn't based on principles.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

That's very true.
I'm surprised that Bush hasn't been impeached yet. The only two ever to go through that is Nixon and Clinton.

No, Andrew Johnson was nearly impeached in 1868.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

The Media blows everything up too much and it gets taken out on everyone. Americans are the most impressionable people in the world.

[saden1]

You make your bed, you sleep in it. Everyone in here talks about personally responsibility...what about president and crew. Why should we make an exception and hold them to a lesser standard?