Fassel meets with Redskins over coaching vacancies

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you are jumping a pretty big gap in logic here. Just because Gibbs supports Williams and Williams coached under Gibbs does not automatically make him more fit for the job.

The players endorse him, much because they have to. That doesn't mean Snyder should be cornered into hiring Gregg Williams if he doesn't feel he's fit to be coach of the Redskins.

The Redskins went through due process on this one. They interviewed a bunch of candidates. They gave second interviews. Snyder included Vinny and Gibbs in the process. The methodology of this decision had everything we as fans could ask for.

I already know the single best candidate for the job (Schwartz) is going to get passed up. The point is, if Danny feels that Fassel makes a better coach than Williams (and the evidence is conflicting), we really can't produce any conclusive evidence that the team is better or worse off. Why not just optimistically wait and see?

I'm not saying that Gggrilliamsss is more qualified strictly because he coached under Joe. In fact, I'm quite aware and open to the idea that Gregggg could be a disaster as a head coach. However, I think the same is true of nearly every other coach that's been discussed, and doubly so of some.

For my money, I'd like Gregggg to at least have the chance to try and fail, rather than throw away the spirit of the team we've been building for the past 4 years and hope for the best with an entirely new regime.

My point is that Snyder could be making decisions now on a macro level in the same vein as the way we were making personnel decisions on a micro level for the past few years: go for the instant gratification, get the guy who's surely the best "big name" coach, etc.

Business is business, but that's not necessarily what The Redskins is all about. I think Joe proved that in both campaigns here.

Secondly, Snyder isn't being "conned" into anything. If you lure a guy into a role as a #2 guy, keep leading him on to ensure he doesn't chase other potential offers, make him all kinds of assurances that he's the heir to the throne, and he (mostly) does his job well during that time, and then turn around and say "you know, contractually, I don't really HAVE to give you the job, I can contractually just pay you a few bucks out of my enormous wallet", well, I think that sends a pretty clear message to players, coaches and fans.

Contractually he may be in the right, but it sure seems like he's a guy whose word doesn't mean a whole lot when all is said and done.

[Skinny Tee]

If Fassel becomes the new coach there needs to be a new thread started titled:

"What time are all members of Redskinswarpath.com meeting to collectively boo Jim Fassel's name when announced at the press conference?"


...pre-emptively, 3:30pm at the Redskins Park guard house is best for me.

[irish]

Why in the world the Skins would hire this guy to be head coach is beyond me. He is yesterday's news. Of all the choices this would be maybe the worst of the bunch. Its another quick fix, stop-gap measure. He'll stick around a few years then be gone. This hiring would prove again that the skins are a disfunctional organization that will never be a consistent winner.

[rypper11]

Quick look at the great Fassel:
As HC of the Giants, 3 out of 7 seasons w/ winning records. 2-3 record in playoffs (2 WC losses and a beat down in the SB). Career at Utah even more impressive: 8-4 first season there but ended 25-33 (that's 17-29 in last four seasons there).

[GTripp0012]

There's a difference between trading two mid round picks for TJ Duckett, or two mid round picks for Brandon Lloyd, and hiring Fassel over Gregg Williams.

The difference is there is no evidence to assume on that Williams would be the better choice, while you can look at Duckett's production, or Lloyd's production, and pretty much know right off the bat the Skins got jobbed.

[jbcjr14]

This is going to be very interesting over the next couple of days.

[Hog1]

Aahhhh! Redskinland, would not be Redskinland without, at least a modicum of turmoil, discontent, and panic over the...............not yet happened, or next percieved........possible tragedy..........

[redskinsfanatic]

if he gets the job,i'll really be dissappointed !it will just screw everything gibbs did the last 4 years all to hell!

[oldhog44]

I almost threw up my Frosted Flakes this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... i thought this was mostly just BS........ If Snyder pulls the trigger on this????
What the F!@#$% is he thinking?????????

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

Originally Posted by oldhog44

I almost threw up my Frosted Flakes this morning!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!... i thought this was mostly just BS........ If Snyder pulls the trigger on this????
What the F!@#$% is he thinking?????????

He's thinking he can get a yes man in place for a year until he can go after Cower next year...ie...he's not thinking

[firstdown]

Can anybody find a clip of Joe Gibbs saying that he supports GW as our new head coach or is everyone basing this off rumors?

[MTK]

At this point in his NFL career it shouldn't be as dramatic of a change for Campbell. He's already greatly improved his mechanics, decision making, and overall speed and timing of the NFL game. A coaching change is not going to be a disaster. It's part of the game.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

At this point in his NFL career it shouldn't be as dramatic of a change for Campbell. He's already greatly improved his mechanics, decision making, and overall speed and timing of the NFL game. A coaching change is not going to be a disaster. It's part of the game.

One note on that - look at some of the most successful QB's over the past decade, and they spent their formative years with the same offensive guru:

Tom Brady (Charlie Weis): 2000-2004
Brett Favre (Mike Holmgren): 1992-1998
Peyton Manning (Tom Moore): 1998-Present
Donovan McNabb (Andy Reid): 1999-Present

The Saunders system has worked everywhere else he has been, but we knew that there was a 2 year learning curve based on past results. I was really hoping Al Saunders would be able to work with Campbell for an extended period. Changing the OC every two years just kills offensive stability and chemistry. I guess that change for changes sake is embedded in The Danny's DNA, and he will never learn.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

One note on that - look at some of the most successful QB's over the past decade, and they spent their formative years with the same offensive guru:

Tom Brady (Charlie Weis): 2000-2004
Brett Favre (Mike Holmgren): 1992-1998
Peyton Manning (Tom Moore): 1998-Present
Donovan McNabb (Andy Reid): 1999-Present

The Saunders system has worked everywhere else he has been, but we knew that there was a 2 year learning curve based on past results. I was really hoping Al Saunders would be able to work with Campbell for an extended period. Changing the OC every two years just kills offensive stability and chemistry. I guess that change for changes sake is embedded in The Danny's DNA, and he will never learn.

I think you are looking at that backwards. The reason all those coaches held job/got promoted is because (and Reid is the exception to this rule) they were coaching all-time great quarterbacks. The results were excellent (because of the Quarterback), so the need for coaching upheaval was subdued.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think you are looking at that backwards. The reason all those coaches held job/got promoted is because (and Reid is the exception to this rule) they were coaching all-time great quarterbacks. The results were excellent (because of the Quarterback), so the need for coaching upheaval was subdued.

Are there counterexamples of great QB's who have flourished with a number of different offensive coordinators? Say, from attrition due to promotion?