D.C. Examiner: Zorn's job in jeopardy? (not so fast he's coming back)

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

As pissed as I am at Zorn and his absolute inability to ever question his own decisions, getting rid of him would be a disaster for Jason Campbell. Starting over with yet another new offense is not the answer. Address our needs on both lines and you'll see significant improvement for both the O and the D.

thats where we need the most help is in the trenches on both sides of the ball. the part i,m really going to keep a close eye on is how patient will synder be...i,m hoping he is real patient and lets this process take it,s course .like most on here i would like to see improvements in personnel in our front office as well...

[44ever]

STOP IT. Zorn is not the problem. Same excuses every year. Give me a break! Just a month ago Zorn was god. This is and has been Snyders inability to hire competent scouts and let the coaches do there job.

[djnemo65]

The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.

This is when your veteran players leadership comes into play. Guys like Fletcher, Samuels, etc. need to tell the malcontents to get with the program or get the **** out!!

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

This is when your veteran players leadership comes into play. Guys like Fletcher, Samuels, etc. need to tell the malcontents to get with the program or get the **** out!!

Agreed 100%.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.

dj I think u r seeing the forest through the trees for sure. I see everybody debating the importance of the record, debating how much leniency has to be given a rookie HC, etc etc. I don't want to say those are necessarily stupid things to talk about, but there importance is nil compared w/ that of Zorn's ability to lead a team. I believe it is painfully obvious he has lost this team w/ the exception of JC. To the novice fan's eye this offense plays like it detests being on the field. There's zero intensity w/ sporadic exceptions from Sellers, Portis and maybe Moss. (This includes JC - i understand he's never been Favrelike in his demeanor - but now his lack of passion/intensity is a liability IMHO for a team in desperate need of a leader).

Getting back to the big picture I don't think it's a stretch to say Zorn is the worst coach in the league right now. He has the luxury of concentrating almost solely on the offense because of Blache and yet we have had the absolute worst offense in football since the beginning of November (we've averaged about 10 points a game, which to my knowledge is the worst in football over that period of time.) What is critical is whether Zorn can begin to lead the team over the next two games. I don't care about winning/losing at this point. I am talking about whether he can get 11 guys on the field to play like professionals, in fact that's all we can hope for at this point. If Zorn cannot do that his status as an HC is unjustified. There is no reason to believe he'll be able to lead/motivate the same group of guys next year he failed to lead/motivate this year.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

The big question is whether or not the team is quitting. Everything else is peripheral at this point. While I don't know the answer definitively, it has neither sounded nor looked good recently. It's easy to preach continuity and learning from Gibbs and all that, and I am inclined to agree to an extent, but bringing back a guy who is sure to face the same problems next season merely for continuity's sake is worse than firing someone too quickly.

Losing is one thing. But Zorn is currently captaining a full scale implosion. If the team loses out and the locker room continues to unravel and the playcalling continues to be impotent I don't understand how a change can not be on the table.

After that effort today the answer might be becoming quite clear.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

After that effort today the answer might be becoming quite clear.

There's no quit in a team that gets down 17-0 and then comes back to basically tie the game.

It's unfortunate that the call got overturned and later we fumbled, because we had basically done all the work it takes to get back in the game. But even the fumble was a bad call because Sellers was clearly stopped for two or three seconds before they blew the whistle and ruled touchback. Great job, morons. Way to play it off like you didn't screw up either.

Remember, our offense only got into trouble when we tried to rely on the running game. Our passing game had it's way with them. They had no pressure on Campbell, and he picked the intermediate zones apart.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

There's no quit in a team that gets down 17-0 and then comes back to basically tie the game.

I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.

If it quit it wouldn't have scored 13 points. Bottom line, Sellers screwed up with that fumble.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.

Wait, so we quit, but then decided not to quit?

Can we stop throwing the term "Quit" around when that's clearly not the problem?

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I'd say a team has quit when it gets down 17-0 to the Bengals in the first place.

The team has not quit!!! We have too many high character guys on this team to say stupid crap like that.

[44ever]

Who trades Champ Bailey? Decisions like these make no sence. He was the closest thing to Green we've had. Why are recievers returning punts? Why do we trade Thrash when he's great and get him back when he sucks? Why do we not have a line worthy to be called the Hogs. What's up with Alexander? On and on and on... I wonder why we suck?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Who trades Champ Bailey? Decisions like these make no sence. He was the closest thing to Green we've had. Why are recievers returning punts? Why do we trade Thrash when he's great and get him back when he sucks? Why do we not have a line worthy to be called the Hogs. What's up with Alexander? On and on and on... I wonder why we suck?

Champ wanted out, it was the right thing to do.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Champ wanted out, it was the right thing to do.

Not exactly. Champ would have stayed if Snyder opened up his wallet for him, but they couldn't have kept both Bailey and Lavar Arrington.

So they chose Lavar. What forsight.