Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated)

vallin21 · 07-28-2009, 07:38 PM

I just think there is too much to deal with if he signs with us. I honestly don't think he's changed that much, but he serverved his timed and should be fully reinstated. That said, if we did sign him it would tell me 3 things.

1) The FO doesn't think JC is a franchise QB.
2) Zorn has no influence in any personell discisions
3) They would be taking a huge PR risk, and it worries me that he's only 2-3 hours from his old neighborhood and could get influenced by the wrong people in DC.

BigHairedAristocrat · 07-28-2009, 10:02 PM

My thoughts on the matter:

1. I have not seen any evidence yet from Vick to make me think he's truly remorseful. Yes, he convinced the Commish to reinstate him, but if you believe that the interest and revenue Vick would bring to the NFL didn't factor heavily into the decision, then you're out of your mind.

2. That said, if Vick is truly a "changed man," it makes a lot of football sense to have him on the team:

A. Wildcat QB.
B. Familiar with the WCO.
C. Better #2 WCO QB than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan.
D. If Campbell sucks it up in 2009, we've got his replacement ready for 2010.
E. If Campbell is amazing in 2009, Vick's presence gives us significant negotiating leverage and flexibility in 2010 (i.e. we pay Jason less or can franchise and trade him to another team for a high value and already have a replacement on the roster.
F. We can sign him and then trade him to another WCO team if their QB goes down in the pre-season. (Teams timid about signing him now would be singing a different tune after observing his good behavior here)

MTK · 07-28-2009, 10:30 PM

We don't use the wildcat.

SirClintonPortis · 07-28-2009, 10:37 PM

Being a career 50% passer is a bad sign for any QB nowadays....Too bad he fits that description and the WCO is supposed to HELP raise completion percentage.

MTK · 07-28-2009, 11:08 PM

A Little Vick-Redskins Update

I just spoke to a league source who told me Michael Vick recently was saying he thought he would either join the Redskins or 49ers. But two other league sources told me there's nothing there with the Redskins, at least at the second I'm writing this. But the latter two sources also reminded me that anything can happen when Dan Snyder is determined to pursue a player. After all, as some of you have correctly pointed out, the Redskins last July said there was nothing in the works with Jason Taylor and then traded for Jason Taylor a bit later in the day.

I can't imagine that Jim Zorn would want any part of the circus-like atmosphere that would accompany Vick landing in Ashburn. I mean, these guys are getting ready to open training camp Thursday, the team struggled in the second half of Zorn's first season as a head coach and he probably needs to reach the playoffs to return for a third season. And after Snyder's attempts to replace Jason Campbell in the offseason, bringing in Vick would really help build the starting quarterback's confidence, wouldn't it?

Agent Joel Segal represents Campbell and Vick, and Segal knows Campbell as well as anyone. I just dont see this making sense.

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Pocket$ $traight · 07-29-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

I would love it.................

He would probably be the best wideout on the Giants if they signed him. Yes, I know he hasn't played the position. Sad isn't it.

irish · 07-29-2009, 09:21 AM

I heard a clip on the Sports Reporters last night that the new UFL in interested in Vick if he cant land a spot in the NFL. It seems like that wouldnt be a bad place for him to get back into shape.

SmootSmack · 07-29-2009, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irish

I heard a clip on the Sports Reporters last night that the new UFL in interested in Vick if he cant land a spot in the NFL. It seems like that wouldnt be a bad place for him to get back into shape.

I believe the Orlando franchise drafted him, or claimed the rights to him. Something like that.

joethiesmanfan · 07-29-2009, 09:51 AM

Sounds like a great place to add to his punishment. Wow how genius!!!

irish · 07-29-2009, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I believe the Orlando franchise drafted him, or claimed the rights to him. Something like that.

I saw that the UFL season plays its championship game on thanksgiving weekend so I was wondering if Vick's team didnt make it that far would he be allowed to sign with an NFL team in time for their stretch run. Of course that depends on a lot of things but if he's looking good in live game action it could entice someone into giving him a try.

freddyg12 · 07-29-2009, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I saw that the UFL season plays its championship game on thanksgiving weekend so I was wondering if Vick's team didnt make it that far would he be allowed to sign with an NFL team in time for their stretch run. Of course that depends on a lot of things but if he's looking good in live game action it could entice someone into giving him a try.

good point, I don't see why he couldn't sign in the nfl after being in the ufl prior. It would be an audition for him, plus the nfl would then avoid having to deal w/the immediate publicity.

MTK · 07-29-2009, 11:09 AM

The UFL is only a 6 game season, so yeah he could essentially audition for a NFL team and probably sign mid-season.

irish · 07-29-2009, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The UFL is only a 6 game season, so yeah he could essentially audition for a NFL team and probably sign mid-season.

Yes, they start in Oct and end at Thanksgiving. Games are on Thurs & Fri nights. Starting in Oct would also give him extra time to get in shape.

BigHairedAristocrat · 07-29-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

We don't use the wildcat.

I know what Zorns said, but 1) I dont necessarily beleive it would be advantageous for him to advertise it if we planned to use it and 2) we would use the wildcat if we had Vick.

MTK · 07-29-2009, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I know what Zorns said, but 1) I dont necessarily beleive it would be advantageous for him to advertise it if we planned to use it and 2) we would use the wildcat if we had Vick.

Man, you love to speculate.

I'd rather go with what we know, Zorn has been pretty adamant in saying he has no plans in putting in the wildcat. If he hasn't studied it properly do you really think he's going to install it on the fly just for Vick, when he really doesn't seem to believe in it and has shown zero interest in it to date?

07-28-2009, 07:38 PM	#166
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,198	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) I just think there is too much to deal with if he signs with us. I honestly don't think he's changed that much, but he serverved his timed and should be fully reinstated. That said, if we did sign him it would tell me 3 things. 1) The FO doesn't think JC is a franchise QB. 2) Zorn has no influence in any personell discisions 3) They would be taking a huge PR risk, and it worries me that he's only 2-3 hours from his old neighborhood and could get influenced by the wrong people in DC.

07-28-2009, 10:02 PM	#167
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) My thoughts on the matter: 1. I have not seen any evidence yet from Vick to make me think he's truly remorseful. Yes, he convinced the Commish to reinstate him, but if you believe that the interest and revenue Vick would bring to the NFL didn't factor heavily into the decision, then you're out of your mind. 2. That said, if Vick is truly a "changed man," it makes a lot of football sense to have him on the team: A. Wildcat QB. B. Familiar with the WCO. C. Better #2 WCO QB than Todd Collins or Colt Brennan. D. If Campbell sucks it up in 2009, we've got his replacement ready for 2010. E. If Campbell is amazing in 2009, Vick's presence gives us significant negotiating leverage and flexibility in 2010 (i.e. we pay Jason less or can franchise and trade him to another team for a high value and already have a replacement on the roster. F. We can sign him and then trade him to another WCO team if their QB goes down in the pre-season. (Teams timid about signing him now would be singing a different tune after observing his good behavior here) __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

07-28-2009, 10:30 PM	#168
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) We don't use the wildcat. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-28-2009, 10:37 PM	#169
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) Being a career 50% passer is a bad sign for any QB nowadays....Too bad he fits that description and the WCO is supposed to HELP raise completion percentage.

07-28-2009, 11:08 PM	#170
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) A Little Vick-Redskins Update I just spoke to a league source who told me Michael Vick recently was saying he thought he would either join the Redskins or 49ers. But two other league sources told me there's nothing there with the Redskins, at least at the second I'm writing this. But the latter two sources also reminded me that anything can happen when Dan Snyder is determined to pursue a player. After all, as some of you have correctly pointed out, the Redskins last July said there was nothing in the works with Jason Taylor and then traded for Jason Taylor a bit later in the day. I can't imagine that Jim Zorn would want any part of the circus-like atmosphere that would accompany Vick landing in Ashburn. I mean, these guys are getting ready to open training camp Thursday, the team struggled in the second half of Zorn's first season as a head coach and he probably needs to reach the playoffs to return for a third season. And after Snyder's attempts to replace Jason Campbell in the offseason, bringing in Vick would really help build the starting quarterback's confidence, wouldn't it? Agent Joel Segal represents Campbell and Vick, and Segal knows Campbell as well as anyone. I just dont see this making sense. Redskins Insider - A Little Vick-Redskins Update __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-29-2009, 09:21 AM	#172
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) I heard a clip on the Sports Reporters last night that the new UFL in interested in Vick if he cant land a spot in the NFL. It seems like that wouldnt be a bad place for him to get back into shape.

07-29-2009, 09:51 AM	#174
joethiesmanfan The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,163	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) Sounds like a great place to add to his punishment. Wow how genius!!!

07-29-2009, 11:09 AM	#177
MTK Hail Raiser Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 53 Posts: 100,050	Re: Vick conditionally reinstated by NFL (updated) The UFL is only a 6 game season, so yeah he could essentially audition for a NFL team and probably sign mid-season. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

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