Problem w/ Cowboys giant screen.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Did I misread the rule or does the playclock stay where it was when the snap occurred? What then happens if you're trying to run down the clock before a punt, snap it at 2 -- then the punt hits the screen? You have 2 seconds to get the snap off once the ball is reset? I don't like that part of it.

I also feel this is blown out of proportion. Jerry didn't really get his way, but the NFL realized "Oh shit, this is our fault. We'll have to pay to move this behemoth." If this becomes a consistent problem, something will have to give, but Im willing to bet these rules stay in place. I don't like the play clock one. At least add 5 seconds to the clock so that they have time to get a snap off.

I do not think it's the league's fault, even if the regulations say 85 feet.

If you're building something, you need to make sure it is done properly. Building regulations are often set low in any type of construction, they're a minimum recommendation.

If every builder followed every regulation exactly with no variance from the codes set up by people who really aren't qualified to do so...a lot of buildings would be useless, unfit to serve their purpose and so on.

He spent $1.2 BILLION and could not make sure the largest component being installed in the stadium is being done properly? He couldn't (out of arrogance) consult someone who just completed a new stadium and found a flaw with the league regulation...then worked around it successfully?

I don't care if the league regulation says 25 feet or 2 miles...it's the builder's (or in this case, the man with the checkbook) responsibility that the facilities meet their intended needs for use...a punt-blocking TV screen does not.

I'd be ripping Snyder too if he did something this idiotic than acted like a pompous ass afterwards...luckily, our owner actually learns from experience and doesn't interfere with his team the way Jones or Al Davis does.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Buster

I do not think it's the league's fault, even if the regulations say 85 feet.

If you're building something, you need to make sure it is done properly. Building regulations are often set low in any type of construction, they're a minimum recommendation.

If every builder followed every regulation exactly with no variance from the codes set up by people who really aren't qualified to do so...a lot of buildings would be useless, unfit to serve their purpose and so on.

He spent $1.2 BILLION and could not make sure the largest component being installed in the stadium is being done properly? He couldn't (out of arrogance) consult someone who just completed a new stadium and found a flaw with the league regulation...then worked around it successfully?

I don't care if the league regulation says 25 feet or 2 miles...it's the builder's (or in this case, the man with the checkbook) responsibility that the facilities meet their intended needs for use...a punt-blocking TV screen does not.

I'd be ripping Snyder too if he did something this idiotic than acted like a pompous ass afterwards...luckily, our owner actually learns from experience and doesn't interfere with his team the way Jones or Al Davis does.

It was installed properly and the installation exceeded the minimum requirement. I'm not sure the burden is on Jerry to run down every new stadium owner and ask what issues they have had. If the burden lies anywhere it would be with the architect or the NFL.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by irish

It was installed properly and the installation exceeded the minimum requirement. I'm not sure the burden is on Jerry to run down every new stadium owner and ask what issues they have had. If the burden lies anywhere it would be with the architect or the NFL.

You don't believe Jerry would allow architects, installers, or ANYONE else actually make any decisions and changes to his monument, do you?

It's his project, it's his responsibility to make sure it is right...no matter what the regulations SUGGEST. The regulation authors never envisioned a screen that was 60 yards long and large enough to block the view of the top half of the stadium. He was putting something of that magnitude in for the first time, you'd think he would make sure it would actually work for playing a football game under it and fit in the space.

Unfortunately, his pocketbook and ego are both larger than his brain.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Buster

You don't believe Jerry would allow architects, installers, or ANYONE else actually make any decisions and changes to his monument, do you?

It's his project, it's his responsibility to make sure it is right...no matter what the regulations SUGGEST. The regulation authors never envisioned a screen that was 60 yards long and large enough to block the view of the top half of the stadium. He was putting something of that magnitude in for the first time, you'd think he would make sure it would actually work for playing a football game under it and fit in the space.

Unfortunately, his pocketbook and ego are both larger than his brain.

Regulations dont "suggest", suggestions do. Regulations are rules and rules have to be followed. Jerry followed the rules.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by irish

It was installed properly and the installation exceeded the minimum requirement. I'm not sure the burden is on Jerry to run down every new stadium owner and ask what issues they have had. If the burden lies anywhere it would be with the architect or the NFL.

Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because

If it happened to us, I'd still question why Danny didn't test it out. Luckily our owner has some common sense...as strange as that may sound to some people.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because

Could be. Or it could be his denying anything is wrong with it and his statement that punters are hitting it purposely like that's the only way it could happen. Plus his absolute refusal to correct it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Agreed. The only reason certain people here are blaming Jerry Jones and the Cowboys is because it's Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Had this happened to us, people on Cowboys boards would be blaming Dan Snyder and the Redskins...just because

While I am enjoying the fact that the boneheads reside in Dallas in this case, if this had happened to us, I'd be ripping Snyder for sure.

Stadiums should never block punts. It is just that simple.

[Daseal]

Buster, lets say you're building a house. In your neighborhood no house can be above 60 feet (I really have no clue how tall houses are...). Your house comes in at 58 feet, and they tell you no -- it must be lower. Are you going to suck it up and say fine, then pocket the cost of getting your house down to 55 feet? I'm guessing not. Rules and regulations are in place and you guy by them.

Fact is, he followed all NFL regulations and I don't forsee this being a big issue. The league also has to approve the stadium and its specifics, do they not? However you swing it, the league is absolutely responsible for the scoreboard being too low. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Cowboys as much as everyone else here. But I truly believe Jerry tried his best to make this stadium as nice as possible for his fans. A big HD jumbotron is part of that package.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Buster, lets say you're building a house. In your neighborhood no house can be above 60 feet (I really have no clue how tall houses are...). Your house comes in at 58 feet, and they tell you no -- it must be lower. Are you going to suck it up and say fine, then pocket the cost of getting your house down to 55 feet? I'm guessing not. Rules and regulations are in place and you guy by them.

Fact is, he followed all NFL regulations and I don't forsee this being a big issue. The league also has to approve the stadium and its specifics, do they not? However you swing it, the league is absolutely responsible for the scoreboard being too low. Don't get me wrong, I hate the Cowboys as much as everyone else here. But I truly believe Jerry tried his best to make this stadium as nice as possible for his fans. A big HD jumbotron is part of that package.

Your analogy is backwards...a parallel one would be a city building code that says ceilings must be 7 feet high at a minimum and doorways must be 6.5 feet high. You're 6'7" and you STILL follow that regulation and put in 7-foot ceilings in your house...then are surprised when you're constantly cracking your skull and can't raise your arms up.

When dealing with regulations, you have to make sure the people and contents of the building can comfortably and safely inhabit it. This is where Jerry failed.

[over the mountain]

if goddell is going to be so strict about placing accountability on the players he should have bitten the bullet and held himself and the nfl accountable as well.

freakin bizarre. any chance jerry did this for entertainment value of having punters deal with the scoreboard as a added element of intrigue for the punting game?

go skins!!

[FRPLG]

All I hope no is for a few things to happen.

A) It must be our punters goal to break the thing in some way. During warm up he must work on his hang time and see if he can crack the screen. I'll loveit.

B) A do-over has to get blocked. The rule will change when that happens I guarantee it. One blocked do-over is all it will take.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

All I hope no is for a few things to happen.

A) It must be our punters goal to break the thing in some way. During warm up he must work on his hang time and see if he can crack the screen. I'll loveit.

B) A do-over has to get blocked. The rule will change when that happens I guarantee it. One blocked do-over is all it will take.

How about one season ending injury on said do-over. I'm sure that would go over really well with the fans.

[Skinny Tee]

League buzzes over perception of preferential treatment for Cowboys | ProFootballTalk.com

The scoreboard is comparable to a fan interrupting game play...and if you went to the Bears vs. Skins game in 07' you'd know how fans are dealt with when they disrupt live gameplay.

When Jerry Jones affects game play though the league gives him white glove treatment and then gives him what he wants. The league as an authority is a joke.

[Ruhskins]

Man, if I was rich, I'd put out a prize for the first punter to take out the Cowpukes scoreboard. LOL. You hear this Danny?

San Francisco 49ers punter Andy Lee hits Dallas Cowboys video board with kick - ESPN