Start John Beck Madness Thread

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I agree. But didn't Shanny bench Plummer for Cutler when the Broncos were 7-4?

Yeah but let's not confuse Beck with a talented first round pick waiting in the wings.

[MTK]

I don't think his height played into the INT.

Coming off the play action I think he was locked into where he wanted to go, he perhaps caught a glimpse of Laurinaitis getting sucked in, but he underestimated his ability to recover and get back into coverage.

When you see the play a few times you can appreciate it was a heck of a play by Laurinaitis, first to hustle back but also to catch that ball that was right in his face when he turned to look.

Ill advised decision by Grossman, but on 2nd look also a heck of a play by Laurinaitis.

[MTK]

I think we need to accept the fact that Rex is what he is, and neither Rex or Beck are the long term solutions here.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I think we need to accept the fact that Rex is what he is, and neither Rex or Beck are the long term solutions here.

Couldn't have said it better. Shanahan did the right thing this past offseason, purge the team of the old culture, bring in a strong and deep surrounding cast that works with his system. It builds the foundation. Now he can go get the QB of the future who can come into a half decent situation.

Neither Rex nor Beck are going to win us a SB.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Couldn't have said it better. Shanahan did the right thing this past offseason, purge the team of the old culture, bring in a strong and deep surrounding cast that works with his system. It builds the foundation. Now he can go get the QB of the future who can come into a half decent situation.

Neither Rex nor Beck are going to win us a SB.

Not while Aaron Rodgers is under center. Guy has officially arrived as the leagues best QB.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Couldn't have said it better. Shanahan did the right thing this past offseason, purge the team of the old culture, bring in a strong and deep surrounding cast that works with his system. It builds the foundation. Now he can go get the QB of the future who can come into a half decent situation.

Neither Rex nor Beck are going to win us a SB.

I dont think either can carry the team on his back and win a SB that way but I do think the Skins can win a SB with Rex as QB. Teams (TB and Balt come to mind) have won SBs with average or even below average QBs.

[MTK]

Speaking of Paul he's a physical blocker. We're using him almost in an h-back type of position on the line. Sorta how we used to use James Thrash too.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Speaking of Paul he's a physical blocker. We're using him almost in an h-back type of position on the line. Sorta how we used to use James Thrash too.

yeah, bring em in motion that he stands behind the TE or tackle just before snap. Hope he develops as a wr, he's a ball player.

[marks1]

speaking of james thrash..he is appearing at the great big home show in waldorf, md. next sunday from 2-4pm

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Speaking of Paul he's a physical blocker. We're using him almost in an h-back type of position on the line. Sorta how we used to use James Thrash too.

A. Pettis may remember him for a little more than his blocking. lol

[SmootSmack]

Man, the backup QB really always is the "best player" on the team. "He can manifest throws from awkward positions..."

shakes head, walks away

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Man, the backup QB really always is the "best player" on the team. "He can manifest throws from awkward positions..."

shakes head, walks away

I don't recall saying he was the "best player", just that there are indicators eluding to him being a better player than Rex. If you go back and watch the preseason film those throws are evident.

I'm simply making deliberate case to support a transition to Beck. I'd rather do that then throw out back handed remarks that ultimately amount to nothing.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by fanarchist

I don't recall saying he was the "best player", just that there are indicators eluding to him being a better player than Rex. If you go back and watch the preseason film those throws are evident.

I'm simply making deliberate case to support a transition to Beck. I'd rather do that then throw out back handed remarks that ultimately amount to nothing.

If you go back and watch Beck in the last preseason game, you have an argument for sticking with Grossman.

Man, we are 3-1 and people want to switch the QB. Amazing.

[fanarchist]

Originally Posted by Lotus

If you go back and watch Beck in the last preseason game, you have an argument for sticking with Grossman.

Man, we are 3-1 and people want to switch the QB. Amazing.

And watching the last 3 games I can build a strong case against "sticking with Rex". People seem to like bringing up that 4th and 3 corner route to Santana for a TD in the Cards game, using it as a microcosm for Rex's "gunslinger" attitude and the reason we were ultimately able to prevail. The way I see it, if Rex didn't throw those 2 early ints in the redzone, and we came away with 2 field goals instead, a field goal in that 4th and 3 scenario would have won you the game. Because of his lethargy in regards to decision making, and ball security, he put himself in a position where he was forced to try for the win in a circumstance that could have just as easily spelled disaster, and just as easily have been avoided. Granted he made the throw, and won the game. That I can't take away from him, but how many times have we seen the cards fall differently, and not in our favor. He operates ok within the confines of the system. When the line holds up, when the timing is on, when he can work off of play action, but mistakes even arise for him in those circumstances. He too often locks on to the first read in his progression which causes defenders to easily converge on the reciever, and also results in a slew of ints. He feels pressure where there is none which causes him to throw mistimed passes which again leads to more ints.

In the Dallas game. Yes he threw some good balls, but those balls tend to be to receivers who are sitting down, and running hitch routes into soft spots in cover 2 zone. Occationally he'll hit a guy running a drag, but mostly he's throwing to stationary targets. On the int to Sean Lee, he reads right, that was his first read, he sticks with that read too long, and comes back across the field to Fred Davis running a intermediate in. He is already in bracket coverage, and he doesn't recognize Sean Lee in middle zone floating in the direction of Davis. Rex releases the ball too late, and another int. That entire game he was anticipating pressure instead of keeping his gaze fixed downfield, and trying to make a play. That's ultimately what led to the fumble and the loss.

Much of the same in the Rams game. Only this time he threw 4 passes that could have led to easy ints. Luck was clearly on our side.

It's not a matter of the record for me. In all probability this team is not Superbowl bound this season. Rex's deficiencies will ultimately lead to losses this year. I want us to exhaust all options so there is no lingering doubt about the QB position in the offseason. We've seen what Rex can do, not just in these 7 games, but over the course of his career. His trends and inadequacies are the same as they were 5 years ago. Now I want to see what Beck can do.

[IRISHSKIN24]

I like Becks attitude and Rex is still uber sketchy...but the Skins are 3-1, Rex hasn't made them lose yet. so its not justifiable to pull him.."may have" and "almost" plays don't really count in my book.