Peyton Manning or RGIII your choice

[los panda]

i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by los panda

i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by los panda

i forgot to explain why i chose rg3. i chose him because manning cannot throw a football the way an nfl qb needs to. he is useless to an nfl team. it was an easy choice between these 2 candidates.

So you've trained w him?

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

So you've trained w him?

no. believe it or not, i have not trained with peyton manning.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

If he can't drop back and be an elite passer in a pro style system I don't want him. Big Ben, Manning brothers, Brady, Brees and Rodgers. That's the kind of QB play that wins Super Bowls. Give me a guy like that. If RGIII needs a special offense that caters to his unique skillset then we shouldn't be trading up to get him. I don't want to rely on his legs and am not interested in a gimmicky offense. Let some other team run with that experiment. Until I see someone win it all like that, count me not interested.

How many sbs has Vick won? Exactly

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

How many sbs has Vick won? Exactly

Exactly. And how many games does he miss each year?

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Exactly. And how many games does he miss each year?

Eagles Oline was pretty bad this season, and quite often he would stay in the pocket instead of leaving it.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

Exactly. And how many games does he miss each year?

How many of Vick's injuries occured in the pocket vs outside the pocket?
How many of his injuries are a direct result of his scrambling?
How many of Vick's injuries are due to recklessness more then the actual scramble itself?

How many of the often injured pocket passing Matt Schaub's injuries come outside the pocket vs inside the pocket?
Or Kurt Warner?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Eagles Oline was pretty bad this season, and quite often he would stay in the pocket instead of leaving it.

The point is vick is not a traditional passer and has rare talents but can never make the throw needed to be clutch. Rg3 is very similar to that and it's why I'd be worried ntm running qb s don't last long

[diehard]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

The point is vick is not a traditional passer and has rare talents but can never make the throw needed to be clutch. Rg3 is very similar to that and it's why I'd be worried ntm running qb s don't last long

There are more "traditional" passers who haven't proven to be clutch than "non-traditional" ones.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by los panda

no. believe it or not, i have not trained with peyton manning.

I've seen some say his arm is fine and some say it's still a work in progress so who knows

[los panda]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I've seen some say his arm is fine and some say it's still a work in progress so who knows

i know that this is going to continue into the summer. if passes a team physical and shows a team his laser in a workout, i'll be happy to eat my words. until then, he is worthless as a starting qb

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Because RGIII is a run first QB right?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Because RGIII is a run first QB right?

Robert Griffin III, Baylor, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

They say a lot of great things about him and his accuracy and strength but...

His accuracy dips on throws inside the pocket and looks most comfortable when he can get outside the hashmarks.

Will KS expect him to roll out more or expect him to stay in the pocket like he did a more mobile Beck? I'd expect stay in the pocket.

Has inconsistent lower body mechanics with messy footwork, throwing of his back foot far too often. Has a three-quarters delivery and unconventional throwing motion with low delivery and release point. Operated out of a shotgun spread offense with various zone and option schemes at Baylor, but hardly a complicated playbook ? doesn?t have experience taking snaps from under center.

. Holds the ball too long and needs to improve his pocket awareness, abandoning his reads too easily. Streaky internal clock and looks to get outside of the pocket too soon. Has questionable vision as a passer, staring down defenders and making puzzling decisions at times. Still makes too many mental mistakes and needs to polish the mental aspect of his game. Forces throws and doesn?t look off defenders ? throws across his body too much and doesn?t anticipate defenders as well as he needs to yet. Needs to develop better pre-snap awareness to see the blitz and recognize what the defense is doing.

Has a lean frame and only adequate height. Not frail, but doesn?t have the body type to withstand a consistent beating. Has more straight-line speed than shifty burst and has added 20+ pounds since his peak as a track star. Has some ball security questions as a runner with several fumbles on his r?sum?. Holds the ball too long and takes unnecessary hits, getting beat up physically ? strong durability concerns and suffered a serious knee injury in 2009.

Now I'll admit I took only the negative comments and posted them. I think almost all of us would agree he's a really good QB. I think depending on the situation any of us would take him, some would trade up, some would prefer we take him at #6. So there are reasons why we like him. So I'm pointing out his flaws only because as some would make it sound ... he has none and he's a franchise QB because of it or will be.

No my point is that some of these faults are the basis for our scheme which he supposedly fits into.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Robert Griffin III, Baylor, NFL Draft - CBSSports.com - NFLDraftScout.com

They say a lot of great things about him and his accuracy and strength but...

Will KS expect him to roll out more or expect him to stay in the pocket like he did a more mobile Beck? I'd expect stay in the pocket.

When Beck was in Kyle called more roll outs.
You admit that Griffin is mobile therefore why would you expect Kyle to keep Griffin in the pocket?
QB movement plays long been a staple of Mike Shanahan's offense.
Cutler, Plummer, Elway and Young all made tons of plays off Making boot-action and sprint-out movement passes.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Now I'll admit I took only the negative comments and posted them........So I'm pointing out his flaws only because as some would make it sound ... he has none and he's a franchise QB because of it or will be.

Scouts are all gonna have their opinions about the QB prospects.
Even though you admit to only posting the negatives and rationalize your reason for doing so your post still comes off as a hatchet job.
And any scouting opinion you give about any prospect can appear negative if you cut+paste only the negative comments and use those comments to steer your opinion of the prospect.

Originally Posted by SBXVII

No my point is that some of these faults are the basis for our scheme which he supposedly fits into.

No QBs faults lend themselves towards being a fit into any scheme and every QB has faults.
But forming an opinion or determining scheme fit based only a prospects faults is imo a poor way to make an evaluation.

Originally Posted by Bill Walsh

"I instructed everyone scouting that I wanted to know what the redeeming quality is that this person has that will help us win," "Don't tell me what he can't do. Tell me what he can do."

However Griffin skillset is a direct fit for our offense or any other.

I'm sure you read this:

Originally Posted by good stuff about Griffin

Accuracy: A natural passer with very good accuracy and ball placement, especially on the run. Has very good downfield touch with beautiful deep ball accuracy. Impressive feel on bucket and long throws.

Setup/Release: Has a quick release and does a nice job with play fakes. Gutsy and fearless, standing tall in the pocket even when he knows the hit is coming.

Reading Defenses: Sees the entire field and works through his progressions, manipulating the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield.

On the Move: An elite athlete with quick feet and superior speed ? smooth, flexible and leggy. Has magic escapability and adds an extra dimension with his legs. Makes something out of nothing, keeping defenders off balance and forcing poor angles because of his jets. Very good patience, vision and instincts as a runner with football toughness ? more than simply a track athlete.

Intangibles: Exudes the natural leadership and confidence on the field that teammates respond to and follow. Very tough-minded and not afraid to take chances. Never allows himself to get too high or too low and the situation never seems too much. A determined passer ? thrower first and runner second. Very smart in the classroom and his intelligence translates well to the field ? graduated from Baylor in Dec. 2010 with a degree in political science and is currently working on his master?s degree. He possesses ?wow? playmaking ability with a clutch gene. Plays poised and in control late in games and is comfortable in the ?big? moment. Griffin is a team-first guy and is highly competitive. Winner and leads by example. Has off-the-chart intangibles and coaches rave about his work ethic, practice habits and overall character. Has very good starting experience as a three-year starter (40 career starts) and was the youngest starting quarterback in college football in 2008. Highly productive at the college level and set or tied 54 school records at Baylor and several other NCAA marks ? one of only three players in college football history to throw for 10,000+ passing yds and rush for 2,000+ yds in his career (Dan LeFevour, Colin Kaepernick). In 2011, Griffin led the Bears to their first bowl win since 1992 and was the first Heisman Trophy winner from Baylor since 1963. He set several records in track ? in both high school and college. Is he fully committed to football? (Olympics, track, academics)

Originally Posted by Bill Walsh

The single trait that separates great quarterbacks from good quarterbacks is the ability to make the great, spontaneous decision, especially at a crucial time. The clock is running down and your team is five points behind. The play that was called has broken down and 22 players are moving in almost unpredictable directions all over the field.

This is where the great quarterback uses his experience, vision, mobility and what we will call spontaneous genius. He makes something good happen. This, of course, is what we saw in Joe Montana when he pulled out those dramatic victories for Notre Dame.