Kirk Cousins pick 4.7

JoeRedskin · 04-30-2012, 02:27 PM

While I don't love the pick, (1) I get it - a QB the FO really likes, who is projected as an eventual starter in the league and who provides much better depth going forward then Grossman; (2) I like the pick a lot - now is the time to develop the young guy behind the annointed franchise, this is a guy who wasn't going to start for anybody this year but might do so in a year or two. We had 9 picks this draft and, to me, it was a clearly a depth depth depth draft - including at the game's most important position where we are now set.

All these talking heads hating the pick - okay, we had needs, but do you recognize the value of this pick both from a draft position and the improvement of the position for the Skins? Most of these same guys were saying how RGIII is more likely to have immediate success than Luck b/c the Skins are the more complete team.

So spending a value pick on a solid player who - hopefully - secures the QB position for several years on a team that, while faulty, is not abysmal is confusing to you? Can I have your job 'cause it seems pretty straight forward to me.

CultBrennan59 · 04-30-2012, 02:29 PM

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

I don't know. I think Cousins is more relevant and being talked about more BECAUSE of Griffin first and foremost. Griffin is also discussed outside of the Cousins draft discussion.

NC_Skins · 04-30-2012, 04:30 PM

Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan).

I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting.

It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm

I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows.

MTK · 04-30-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan).

I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting.

It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm

I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows.

Ugh, what a douche. This crap is just painful. Skip is the king of tinfoil hats.

Chico23231 · 04-30-2012, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN

I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan).

I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting.

It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm

I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows.

First off, this show is a f*cking joke. For Skip to imply the race thing when DC PROUDLY had the first black superbowl winning QB and imply DC will not accept RG3 and then implicates Shanny with the same logic is simply repulsive. Im personally offended by Skip, its another low. I wish to god ESPN would yank the entire show, its really tiring to watch.

Mangini too classy and reasonable for that show. He, of course, is the only one making sense. Skip and "However" are just jokes

NC_Skins · 04-30-2012, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

Mangini too classy and reasonable for that show. He, of course, is the only one making sense. Skip and "However" are just jokes

The look on Mangini's face that time with Skip talking was priceless. You know he wanted to call him a idiot.

JoeRedskin · 04-30-2012, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

The only reason he is getting more press now is b/c of the first pick. If we had just gotten Cousins - and not done the trade for RGIII, Cousins would not be getting the press he is now. It's "reflected press" if you will.

The news on RGIII was reaching a saturation point - this just gives the press a new way to talk about him.

MTK · 04-30-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie.

We've been talking about RG3 for months now.

The Cousins talk will die down soon enough. There's no stopping the RG3 hype machine.

CultBrennan59 · 04-30-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

We've been talking about RG3 for months now.

The Cousins talk will die down soon enough. There's no stopping the RG3 hype machine.

I'm sure as soon as Griffin does his trading card shoot he'll be popular again..should be doing that sometime within the next month.

JoeRedskin · 04-30-2012, 02:39 PM

As to the concerns that the Shannies might not handle the QB position well if a transition is needed or occurs, both RGIII and Cousins are big time character guys. From everything I have read on both, they get it. When adversity hits, they work harder.

These aren't guys who need pampers a' la Donovan "I don't wear a wristband b/c I'm a HOF QB" McNabb. They are "Yes coach", "No coach" guys. You know what happens the first time RGIII gets pulled from a game? He locks himself in the film room for a couple days and then gets one or two of the WR's to work overtime with him. As to Cousins, I am betting he busts his ass so, when the time comes, he gets the gold ring endorsement from Shanahan who - regardless of his failings - is still seen as a QB guru by the league elites. If Shanny likes him, he will be able to write his own ticket and I'm betting Cousins knows this or will soon enough.

The more I think about it, the more I like it. Barring an epic fail by both these guys, we are set at the QB position for the foreseeable future and can really focus on building from the center out (i.e. - filling in lineman, finding a playmaker or two) in the upcoming years.

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 04:26 PM

... like I said - Grossman's pass progressions are the worst by a veteran in the league. Whatever you want to call it - insight, approach, execution. He just doesn't do it well, whether or not he knows them are irrelevant -- apparently -- by his results on the field.

SmootSmack · 04-30-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

... like I said - Grossman's pass progressions are the worst in the league. Whatever you want to call it - insight, approach, execution. He just doesn't do it well, whether or not he knows them are irrelevant -- apparently -- by his results on the field.

I heard them compare RG3 to Cousins in terms of progressions but when did they talk about Grossman's progressions?

warriorzpath · 04-30-2012, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I heard them compare RG3 to Cousins in terms of progressions but when did they talk about Grossman's progressions?

It's my opinion. That's what I'm discussing: my opinion.

If you want to get in on this discussion, then you are welcome to.

SmootSmack · 04-30-2012, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by warriorzpath

It's my opinion. That's what I'm discussing: my opinion.

If you want to get in on this discussion, then you are welcome to.

Maybe I read this wrong then, but it seemed like you said it's what the experts are saying

http://www.thewarpath.net/nfl-draft-...tml#post914088

04-30-2012, 02:27 PM	#1
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 While I don't love the pick, (1) I get it - a QB the FO really likes, who is projected as an eventual starter in the league and who provides much better depth going forward then Grossman; (2) I like the pick a lot - now is the time to develop the young guy behind the annointed franchise, this is a guy who wasn't going to start for anybody this year but might do so in a year or two. We had 9 picks this draft and, to me, it was a clearly a depth depth depth draft - including at the game's most important position where we are now set. All these talking heads hating the pick - okay, we had needs, but do you recognize the value of this pick both from a draft position and the improvement of the position for the Skins? Most of these same guys were saying how RGIII is more likely to have immediate success than Luck b/c the Skins are the more complete team. So spending a value pick on a solid player who - hopefully - secures the QB position for several years on a team that, while faulty, is not abysmal is confusing to you? Can I have your job 'cause it seems pretty straight forward to me. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

04-30-2012, 02:29 PM	#2
CultBrennan59 Pro Bowl Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 6,526	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 When Kirk Cousins is being talked about more than your 1st pick, your starting QB, Robert Griffin, then thats never a good thing to have, especially for a rookie. __________________ "Anyones better than Madieu Williams"

04-30-2012, 04:30 PM	#4
NC_Skins Gamebreaker Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 14,751	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 Cousins Pick A Mistake For Redskins? - ESPN Video - ESPN I thought Skip Bayless had reached the pinnacle of stupidity, but I was wrong after viewing this segment. Guy simply needs to be fired. Bringing up race? Really? He's pretty much calling the Redskins fans racists(and Shanahan). I used to think that the media only gave us shit because we were horrible, so now that we've changed everything, they are still on our nuts. At this point, it won't matter if we start winning Super Bowls because they are going to continue hatting. It's sad Eric Mangini has to put him in place. /facepalm I now remember why I don't watch those dumbass shows. __________________ "So let me get this straight. We have the event of the year on TV with millions watching around the world... and people want a punt, pass, and kick competition to be the halftime entertainment?? Folks, don't quit your day jobs."- Matty

04-30-2012, 02:39 PM	#11
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 63 Posts: 10,401	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 As to the concerns that the Shannies might not handle the QB position well if a transition is needed or occurs, both RGIII and Cousins are big time character guys. From everything I have read on both, they get it. When adversity hits, they work harder. These aren't guys who need pampers a' la Donovan "I don't wear a wristband b/c I'm a HOF QB" McNabb. They are "Yes coach", "No coach" guys. You know what happens the first time RGIII gets pulled from a game? He locks himself in the film room for a couple days and then gets one or two of the WR's to work overtime with him. As to Cousins, I am betting he busts his ass so, when the time comes, he gets the gold ring endorsement from Shanahan who - regardless of his failings - is still seen as a QB guru by the league elites. If Shanny likes him, he will be able to write his own ticket and I'm betting Cousins knows this or will soon enough. The more I think about it, the more I like it. Barring an epic fail by both these guys, we are set at the QB position for the foreseeable future and can really focus on building from the center out (i.e. - filling in lineman, finding a playmaker or two) in the upcoming years. __________________ Strap it up, hold onto the ball, and let’s go.

04-30-2012, 04:26 PM	#12
warriorzpath Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,880	Re: Kirk Cousins pick 4.7 ... like I said - Grossman's pass progressions are the worst by a veteran in the league. Whatever you want to call it - insight, approach, execution. He just doesn't do it well, whether or not he knows them are irrelevant -- apparently -- by his results on the field.

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