Skins/Giants post game thread

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN

Osi Umenyiora on RGIII: "That guy is flat-out unbelievable. I’m not even going to lie. That’s the best quarterback we’ve played this year."






Both of our safeties are out. Who exactly should they have brought in that would have done any better? I floated this before (not you) and still haven't received a answer to this.

You misunderstand me. We came in to the year with a reject unit and prayers before the season started. Jackson, Merriweather and Williams were brought in to supplement Gomes and Doughty. If that's the best we could have done, so be it.

[JoeRedskin]

Justin Tuck on RGIII: "I'm really mad at the football gods for putting him in the NFC East. He's going to be a headache."

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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Yeah doo doo Williams is certainly a liability, but if we had addressed the safety position than some other postition would be a liability. Obviously secondary will be the number one focus this offseason. Rome wasnt built in a day. I personally am all for firing Haslett - I mean the guy has basically been a borderline slouch as a DC everywhere he has gone. He went to Pittsburgh and inherited a pretty good defense which got worse year after year with him at the helm until they let him go. Im just not sure why you keep him around. If it is because we are waiting for him to "do his thing" - well his 15 year track record says that is not going to happen.

Part of me wants him gone at the end of the year, and part of me looks at the talent on defense and wonders why people think we are supposed to be good there even if we had a different DC. Someone already made the point about the Giants against what is considered one of the best defenses putting up points on SF. We gave up 27, SF gave up 23.

Im still confused how we can lose Orakpo and Carriker, yet some people still claim that we have one of the most talented defenses in the league and its all on the coaches. (Not saying you made this claim punch it in but ive seen it said multiple times, and have heard it when out and about from other random skins fans)

[Gtothearry]

We had a poor performing defense when we had Orakpo and Carriker.

[DynamiteRave]

For the poll, I voted turnovers, but it was a tough decision between the secondary and the turnovers.

But I figure maybe if we hadn't turned the ball over so much, we wouldn't have to depend on the secondary so heavily.

But really, you can't go wrong with throwing either option under the bus.

[Bushead]

Four turnovers. Many of them deep in Giants territory. No team can turn it over that often and not have some problems. It does suck that our Offense seems to show up when it is needed most late in games, but the defense can't do the same.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Part of me wants him gone at the end of the year, and part of me looks at the talent on defense and wonders why people think we are supposed to be good there even if we had a different DC. Someone already made the point about the Giants against what is considered one of the best defenses putting up points on SF. We gave up 27, SF gave up 23.

Im still confused how we can lose Orakpo and Carriker, yet some people still claim that we have one of the most talented defenses in the league and its all on the coaches. (Not saying you made this claim punch it in but ive seen it said multiple times, and have heard it when out and about from other random skins fans)

Totally hear you, and you are rite - I will go on record now to say our defensive personell is shit, especially with RAK and Carriker out - lol. Its Hasletts track record that makes me wonder though. If he had success elswhere Id say "hey I cant wait till this guy gets the players and we see his Defense come into its own. But he has been in the league for years and has been shitcanned by the Saints and the Rams, and when he went to Pittsburgh he took a really good defense and for three years they got worse under him???? Im just not sure where we are going with him. Atleast if we give Morris a shot we know what we have in him come the offseason and it makes our decision easier. Listen the bottom line is our Defense is thee worst in the NFL - so how can it get worse if we "experiment" now?

[rbanerjee23]

The defense played a good game overall and 3 fumbles lost by the offense is not going to get the job done against most teams, least of all the defending SB champs.

BUT HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU LET VICTOR CRUZ BEHIND YOU? Nicks is playing at 80%, they're down with a lot of ground to cover so they're probably not going to run, they don't have a beast TE -- the only person they are going to is Cruz and he is somehow wide open?

All the comments about the Giants team beating the 49ers are kind of stupid -- you can't justify losing like that. Any rationalizations are specious. The offense put up 480 yards and RG3 played like a champ to the point where the opposition is calling him the best QB they've played. This loss rests solely on the entire defense, Haslett included

[Brody81]

I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but this needs to be Moss's last year. Don't get me wrong, he is a true Redskins and has played well this year, but he is part of the old losing mentality that this team needs to shake. How many times has he fumbled or dropped passes in crucial situations through out his career? Enough is enough.. We don't need Griffin to start believing he cant win, and guys like Moss will always choke in big situations.. We need playmakers that believe they will always win.. Just my too cents..

P.S. Someone please fire Jim Hasslet..

[skinsfaninok]

Loss sucks but I'm already over it, all I have to say is we have RG3 and no one else is playing like he is right now period. The guy just makes play after play, skins will be in every game and we are the future of the nfc just b patient

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Totally hear you, and you are rite - I will go on record now to say our defensive personell is shit, especially with RAK and Carriker out - lol. Its Hasletts track record that makes me wonder though. If he had success elswhere Id say "hey I cant wait till this guy gets the players and we see his Defense come into its own. But he has been in the league for years and has been shitcanned by the Saints and the Rams, and when he went to Pittsburgh he took a really good defense and for three years they got worse under him???? Im just not sure where we are going with him. Atleast if we give Morris a shot we know what we have in him come the offseason and it makes our decision easier. Listen the bottom line is our Defense is thee worst in the NFL - so how can it get worse if we "experiment" now?

Exactly -- I didn't understand why there was all the excitement under Haslett. He hasn't exactly had a lot of success in other places.

[Bushead]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

The defense played a good game overall and 3 fumbles lost by the offense is not going to get the job done against most teams, least of all the defending SB champs.

BUT HOW IN THE WORLD DO YOU LET VICTOR CRUZ BEHIND YOU? Nicks is playing at 80%, they're down with a lot of ground to cover so they're probably not going to run, they don't have a beast TE -- the only person they are going to is Cruz and he is somehow wide open?

All the comments about the Giants team beating the 49ers are kind of stupid -- you can't justify losing like that. Any rationalizations are specious. The offense put up 480 yards and RG3 played like a champ to the point where the opposition is calling him the best QB they've played. This loss rests solely on the entire defense, Haslett included

Yards don't matter when you have all those turnovers. Def. when many happened deep in Giants territory.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but this needs to be Moss's last year. Don't get me wrong, he is a true Redskins and has played well this year, but he is part of the old losing mentality that this team needs to shake. How many times has he fumbled or dropped passes in crucial situations through out his career? Enough is enough.. We don't need Griffin to start believing he cant win, and guys like Moss will always choke in big situations.. We need playmakers that believe they will always win.. Just my too cents..

P.S. Someone please fire Jim Hasslet..

This probably is Moss's last year, but he is not even an issue. Has he fumbled away and dropped alot of passes in his career? Im seriously asking that - if he has I havent noticed. Never knew he was such a liability with games on the line. He is also a nice veteran target for RG-3, and I think he is very far away from anything that is wrong with this team. I dont buy that - he is part of the losing mentality crap either - so is Fletch than I guess. I actually feel bad for him that he played with garbage qb's his whole career and now in his twilight he finally has a good one.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I know I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but this needs to be Moss's last year. Don't get me wrong, he is a true Redskins and has played well this year, but he is part of the old losing mentality that this team needs to shake. How many times has he fumbled or dropped passes in crucial situations through out his career? Enough is enough.. We don't need Griffin to start believing he cant win, and guys like Moss will always choke in big situations.. We need playmakers that believe they will always win.. Just my too cents..

P.S. Someone please fire Jim Hasslet..

The guy caught what should've been the game winner. Had Cruz not bent over the secondary with no vaseline, everyone would be saying Moss needs to be starting. Usually he's reliable and clutch. It's a bitch he fumbled while we were driving, but I can't throw this loss on Moss.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You misunderstand me. We came in to the year with a reject unit and prayers before the season started. Jackson, Merriweather and Williams were brought in to supplement Gomes and Doughty. If that's the best we could have done, so be it.

Apologies. Just seen a few posts/tweets that blame the FO for the safety position, and haven't seen any suggestions as to what they could have actually done better.