Ravens release Ray Rice

[irish]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Well, it's getting out of hand b/c (1) of the visceral response to the tape by everyone; (2) the "WTF" factor - how could this ever have been just a two game suspension; (3) Domestic abuse and violence against women is a hot button topic recently; (4) the appearance of a cover-up.

Frankly, I think, but for No. 4, this would begin to slowly die down. As someone said earlier, if it looks like your covering something up, all you do is heighten scrutiny (rightfully so in my opinion). Goodell & the Ravens screwed the pooch on this one initially and now their stories as to why they did so are looking like a pack of lies. Not good for moving on from the story.

I think Watergate taught everyone that the cover up is worse than the crime.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

What a lot of people seem to not get when it comes to hitting women, there is a difference between self-defense and beating a woman.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

What a lot of people seem to not get when it comes to hitting women, there is a difference between self-defense and beating a woman.

You are correct. But to push it further, I've had women beat the crap out of me but I did zero to retaliate physically.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct. But to push it further, I've had women beat the crap out of me but I did zero to retaliate physically.

I had a guy walk into work with a black eye from his girlfriend about 5 years ago. This dude was 6-4 and about 300 lbs, gentle giant and he never touched her. I remember how everyone felt just terrible for the guy and him having to explain it every 5 minutes.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I had a guy walk into work with a black eye from his girlfriend about 5 years ago. This dude was 6-4 and about 300 lbs, gentle giant and he never touched her. I remember how everyone felt just terrible for the guy and him having to explain it every 5 minutes.

For a short time, that was me. Same experience. I don't miss that girlfriend.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Lotus

You are correct. But to push it further, I've had women beat the crap out of me but I did zero to retaliate physically.

If Jay-Z had hit that chick in the elevator, I don't think people would have cared, but on that video the hit Janay gave Ray.............my daughter hit me harder yesterday when I said "no juice, drink water"

[CRedskinsRule]

Richard Deitsch ‏@richarddeitsch 16m
CBS has changed its Thursday Night Football pregame show including pulling @rihanna opener. @sinow

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Richard Deitsch ‏@richarddeitsch 16m
CBS has changed its Thursday Night Football pregame show including pulling @rihanna opener. @sinow

https://music.yahoo.com/blogs/music-...231619586.html


Wonder if they'll pull it all together.

[Chico23231]

Wow James brown brings up Jovian belcher, first time I've heard it all week. Now that's a damn shame and how quickly we forget that horrific domestic violience issue less than 2 years ago.

The nfl has a major major issue with domestic violence.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Wow James brown brings up Jovian belcher, first time I've heard it all week. Now that's a damn shame and how quickly we forget that horrific domestic violience issue less than 2 years ago.

The nfl has a major major issue with domestic violence.

The stat is that 1/3 of all women will suffer some abuse from a relationship they are in.

The world has a major issue with domestic violence, the NFL is just a big dog for people such as Olbermann and Wilbon to gain brownie points while never caring about Jane Doe getting the crap beat out of her by Joe Blow on a daily basis.

And yet, very few are complaining about the real problem here, the court system refusing to do the right thing. I said this when this issue first popped up. If the NJ courts had thrown Rice in jail for a year, would we be talking about what the NFL did?

We need to stop relying on sports leagues to police this country. They can do their "moral obligation", but that doesnt even remotely come close to solving the actual problem. Because it wont stop 99% of domestic violence that happens since 99% of it happens outside of professional sports leagues.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Wow James brown brings up Jovian belcher, first time I've heard it all week. Now that's a damn shame and how quickly we forget that horrific domestic violience issue less than 2 years ago.

The nfl has a major major issue with domestic violence.

The world has a major major issue with domestic violence, not just the NFL. I don't see still how Rice isn't behind bars or awaiting trial. How did law enforcement let this slide, never mind the NFL. But I guess if she doesn't press charges, there's nothing to be done. Which is a shame.

As for the NFL, people in the league office are going to take the fall for this. They have to, there's no way around it. Some junior level execs are going to learn that they're not as vital to the league as they thought they were and they're going to take the fall.

I don't know what Goodell knew. I feel he probably knows more than he has let on, but I also feel he put trust in Rice (who as far as I know had no issues prior to this) and in the Ravens organization. I mean you won't find a better run organization than the Ravens. I've been approached a couple of times by the Redskins to join them (has never worked out) but I'd work for the Ravens 7 days out of 7 over the Redskins. They're a model franchise, so I really want to know how did they let it get this far and what are they going to do now

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

The world has a major major issue with domestic violence, not just the NFL. I don't see still how Rice isn't behind bars or awaiting trial. How did law enforcement let this slide, never mind the NFL. But I guess if she doesn't press charges, there's nothing to be done. Which is a shame.

The laws were changed a while back that the states no longer need the woman to press charges to go ahead and pursue domestic violence charges against the abuser. There was to many instances of women being threatened by the abuser and choosing not to go ahead with charges due to the threats. NJ could have charged Rice regardless of what Janay said or what she wanted to happen. She could have asked for all charges dismissed and NJ could have said no and charged him anyways. NJ dropped the ball because Rice should be in jail.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

The laws were changed a while back that the states no longer need the woman to press charges to go ahead and pursue domestic violence charges against the abuser. There was to many instances of women being threatened by the abuser and choosing not to go ahead with charges due to the threats. NJ could have charged Rice regardless of what Janay said or what she wanted to happen. She could have asked for all charges dismissed and NJ could have said no and charged him anyways. NJ dropped the ball because Rice should be in jail.

Thanks. Good to know. I wasn't aware

[Dirtbag59]

So and John Mara and Art Rooney are helping coordinate the independent investigation? The guy who basically owes Goodell a favor for letting him punish two division rivals for non-existent cap violations and the guy with Big Ben as his QB? Not sure if serious.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

So and John Mara and Art Rooney are helping coordinate the independent investigation? The guy who basically owes Goodell a favor for letting him punish two division rivals for non-existent cap violations and the guy with Big Ben as his QB? Not sure if serious.

With the x FBI director who is a buddy of goodell who has business interest with the league