A.J. Smith to be Redskins GM?

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I thought Shanny had final say on all roster moves. If yes, why is Bruce being held accountable for the first four years?

If you want to fire him for not canning Jim last year, so be it.

Shanny received all the praise for finding Morris in the 6th round. He should receive the criticism for all bad picks.

Loyal Warpath readers (that is not a shot at you) know that Allen has always had a say in personnel matters. The idea that Shanny chose personnel and Allen just signed contracts is a false myth.

[Evilgrin]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

NOBODY expects the good ol' boy network! Our chief weapon is networking...networking and fear...fear and networking.... our two weapons are fear and networking...and ruthless efficiency.... Our three weapons are fear, networking, and ruthless efficiency...and an almost fanatical devotion to a coach/GM we already know.... Our four...no... amongst our weapons.... amongst our weaponry...are such elements as fear, networking.... I'll come in again.

Pretty much this exactly. If you really think about it though, these guy have zero chance of finding talent though.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Loyal Warpath readers (that is not a shot at you) know that Allen has always had a say in personnel matters. The idea that Shanny chose personnel and Allen just signed contracts is a false myth.

I don't think there is anyone who would argue that Bruce Allen had/has a say in personnel matters. Of course he has a say in personnel matters. But I think when it comes down to your job and credibility, if Allen has the chance to bring in someone who can make all the right moves in player (and coach) personnel while Bruce basically keeps his job, salary, and pseudo status with the team, then why would he not go for that? Everybody wins. Allen is viewed as the humble leader who will still be the face of the front office, but Scot and AJ (or Scot alone) would be the ones who truly do the heavy lifting. It would be a dream scenario for Bruce Allen.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Loyal Warpath readers (that is not a shot at you) know that Allen has always had a say in personnel matters. The idea that Shanny chose personnel and Allen just signed contracts is a false myth.

I was talking to someone like last night that deals with the Redskins often and he pretty much said that Allen's involvement in personnel decisions is way overestimated. I found this to be a bit surprising

[HOGnificent]

I just don't understand what's the point of throwing money to this or that person if you are not going to allow them to do their job. Not to mention hiring people that are capable of doing their job. I was excited years ago about the Bruce Allen hire, but only because as a fan, we were sold a bill that Bruce Allen met all of the qualifications to do what ol' Vinny couldn't do for years which was stand up to Snyder and make quality football decisions. I'm not buying anything in the offseason anymore. Its all comical entertainment to me at this point.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was talking to someone like last night that deals with the Redskins often and he pretty much said that Allen's involvement in personnel decisions is way overestimated. I found this to be a bit surprising

I find that surprising and at the same time not really. He doesn't strike me as some egomaniac control freak, the way he's been vilified lately is a little unfair. But I know it comes with the territory when GM is in your title.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I find that surprising and at the same time not really. He doesn't strike me as some egomaniac control freak, the way he's been vilified lately is a little unfair. But I know it comes with the territory when GM is in your title.

I have not meant to portray him as an "egomaniac control freak." To me it seems:

1) he wants to keep his job, and be empowered at his job, just like the rest of us
and
2) he has no clue that he sucks at his job in terms of personnel, so in his mind there is no reason to delegate power.

That is, personally I see Allen less as controlling and more as incompetent and unaware of his incompetence.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was talking to someone like last night that deals with the Redskins often and he pretty much said that Allen's involvement in personnel decisions is way overestimated. I found this to be a bit surprising

If this is true, and BA brings someone into to run the show (two big ifs I know) like AJ Smith, then maybe there is ...dare I say...hope.

As a fan I am 95% emotion, as an organizer or manager (at work) I need to be 95% patient and support folks as they learn how to get better with in guidance.

Attempt 1: All trust in Shanaclan, fail.

Attempt 2: New coach, I run operations, fail.

Attempt 3: Provide stability and support for someone good at operations to run operations......

If this is how it works out maybe we are finally on the right track. Not saying I think this is the case, just a possibility,......said another way: I will believe it when I see it.

The 95% emotional fan in me wants to see it that way for sure, and I get tired of all the negativity. I have to have some hope...other than Obi Wan Kenobi

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was talking to someone like last night that deals with the Redskins often and he pretty much said that Allen's involvement in personnel decisions is way overestimated. I found this to be a bit surprising

Interesting. Thank you for that.

It raises the question, though: if not Allen, who has been making our personnel decisions since Shanahan left? If not Bruce, who made the call to take Murphy in the second? Who made the call to sign Porter and Lauvao? Etc.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I was talking to someone like last night that deals with the Redskins often and he pretty much said that Allen's involvement in personnel decisions is way overestimated. I found this to be a bit surprising

Well I thought he was GM??...So the obvious is who is making the personnel decisions?...Campbell, Gruden, AJ Smith, Danny Boy, Doug Williams, the fantasy football champion of the office?

I dont get the stucture of this organization...something is clearly wrong within the offices of Redskins Park. WTH???

Bruce is the GM and I thought the primary job of the GM...

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well I thought he was GM??...So the obvious is who is making the personnel decisions?...Campbell, Gruden, AJ Smith, Danny Boy, Doug Williams, the fantasy football champion of the office?

I dont get the stucture of this organization...something is clearly wrong within the offices of Redskins Park. WTH???

Bruce is the GM and I thought the primary job of the GM...

I would imagine Gruden may have had a lot of input then, since I doubt Snyder would care about signings such as Luvao and T. Porter.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I have not meant to portray him as an "egomaniac control freak." To me it seems:



1) he wants to keep his job, and be empowered at his job, just like the rest of us

and

2) he has no clue that he sucks at his job in terms of personnel, so in his mind there is no reason to delegate power.



That is, personally I see Allen less as controlling and more as incompetent and unaware of his incompetence.

I don't see him as a bumbling idiot but that's just me.

[Ruhskins]

I think the current (BA) and previous (BA/Shanny) regime may have had a big problem in talent scouting and depending too much on old/mediocre players in some important areas. The team has whiffed on a number of o-linemen and secondary draft picks in the past couple of years. They've also ended up gambling on the likes of Fletcher, Chester, Polumbus, and T. Porter to fill in areas that were not able to be addressed by the draft or free agency. The team needs to bring in a personnel guy that can fix this issue right away.

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think the current (BA) and previous (BA/Shanny) regime may have had a big problem in talent scouting and depending too much on old/mediocre players in some important areas. The team has whiffed on a number of o-linemen and secondary draft picks in the past couple of years. They've also ended up gambling on the likes of Fletcher, Chester, Polumbus, and T. Porter to fill in areas that were not able to be addressed by the draft or free agency. The team needs to bring in a personnel guy that can fix this issue right away.

this is true but the have also been handcuffed with the salary cap penalty and the RGIII trade (their own doing). Fletcher, Chester, Polumbus, and T. Porter might have been at the time their only choices considering their limitations.

Hindsight is a beautiful thing.

What would you have done with regards to those players? For every action their is a reaction.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't see him as a bumbling idiot but that's just me.

I don't see him as a "bumbling idiot," either.

You must have known someone in a position of power in a business who was not competent to fill the job but who did not know this. Because they lack self-awareness and are convinced that they are competent, they never consider the moves needed to become successful. Haven't we all known someone like this?