When is Enough ,Enough?

[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by MTK

I read that at least 8 people have lost eyes due to rubber bullets and cops are apparently aiming for the head

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I'm not the protesting type anyways, but definitely ain't going anywhere near where cops are using those.

Read an article where some guy got shot in the testicle and had to have emergency surgery.

Not sure what the answer is, but there has to be a better option. I'd rather be tased than shot with one of those.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

I read that at least 8 people have lost eyes due to rubber bullets and cops are apparently aiming for the head


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Yeah cops are aiming for eyes...I’m sure

Look if you don’t want to be a cyclops, how about not riot? That would be nice

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah cops are aiming for eyes...I’m sure

Look if you don’t want to be a cyclops, how about not riot? That would be nice

So you think no peaceful protesters have been injured? Just rioters and looters?

[MTK]

‘Hateful’ white men mock George Floyd’s death at NJ protests

just ugly

[MTK]

Yeah I tend to believe headshots are intentional. Cops know what they're doing with a gun.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Yeah I tend to believe headshots are intentional. Cops know what they're doing with a gun.

Look we are all mad and demand change for the injustice over the muder of George Floyd. But we need to stop with the cop hate, it’s a bit much. They are not using these tactics on peaceful protest. A lot of the protest have been violent with attacks on police as well as looting and rioting...it will not be tolerated...it’s that simple. Peaceful protest or run the risk of rubber bullets.

I see a lot of folks in the pictures wearing them like a lil badge of courage...they def gonna be showing them off to friends.

[Buffalo Bob]

Without even doing any research, my knowledge of ballistics from being a life long gun owner and being able to shoot right off my back porch tells me rubber bullets are probably less accurate than a bullet fired from a smooth bore pre civil war muzzle loading rifle. As trained with other weapons cops are aiming for center mass, bullet paths from rubber bullets are erratic and can end up in a very wide pattern.

Of course cop hating liberals that would not know a 9mm from a pellet pistol know more about ballistics than I do. They believe cops can easily hit someone in the eye on purpose with a rubber bullet, probably because that is what the liberal media leads them to believe.

[SunnySide]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Without even doing any research, my knowledge of ballistics from being a life long gun owner and being able to shoot right off my back porch tells me rubber bullets are probably less accurate than a bullet fired from a smooth bore pre civil war muzzle loading rifle. As trained with other weapons cops are aiming for center mass, bullet paths from rubber bullets are erratic and can end up in a very wide pattern.

Of course cop hating liberals that would not know a 9mm from a pellet pistol know more about ballistics than I do. They believe cops can easily hit someone in the eye on purpose with a rubber bullet, probably because that is what the liberal media leads them to believe.

Excellent point Bob.

I agree with you.

If rubber bullets are so erratic and inaccurate that it is forseeable and likely that they will cause headshots and blindness and brain bleeding and loss of testicles, despite aiming for center mass .... then they should not be used.

On people standing ... during the daytime .. with their hands up.

Or journalists clearly identifying themselves as press.

This is America, not Iran or China.

Good point Bob.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by SunnySide

Excellent point Bob.

I agree with you.

If rubber bullets are so erratic and inaccurate that it is forseeable and likely that they will cause headshots and blindness and brain bleeding and loss of testicles, despite aiming for center mass .... then they should not be used.

On people standing ... during the daytime .. with their hands up.

Or journalists clearly identifying themselves as press.

This is America, not Iran or China.

Good point Bob.

So what is your plan for dispersing crowds before things get out of hand?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Buffalo Bob

Without even doing any research, my knowledge of ballistics from being a life long gun owner and being able to shoot right off my back porch tells me rubber bullets are probably less accurate than a bullet fired from a smooth bore pre civil war muzzle loading rifle. As trained with other weapons cops are aiming for center mass, bullet paths from rubber bullets are erratic and can end up in a very wide pattern.

Of course cop hating liberals that would not know a 9mm from a pellet pistol know more about ballistics than I do. They believe cops can easily hit someone in the eye on purpose with a rubber bullet, probably because that is what the liberal media leads them to believe.

You've got some good info here too bad it's ruined by being an asshole. I didn't realize how inaccuarate they are... given the lack of accuracy I'd say that creates more problems potentially with possibly hitting innocent bystanders or... eyeballs.

The lethal history of rubber bullets—and why they should never be used on peaceful protesters

From the article:

With erratic flight, you have two problems. First, the bullet could hit anywhere on the target’s body (it could also hit anyone standing near the intended target, anywhere on their body). Whereas the torso and legs are considered the safest areas to strike, bullets that fly up toward the neck or face can easily kill.

Michele Heisler is the medical director of Physicians for Human Rights and a professor of internal medicine and public health at the University of Michigan. She has been on the ground in Turkey to examine people who have been shot with less-lethal munitions. Heisler calls these scenes “horrific.” She has seen how even well-placed, perfectly executed shots still cause blunt trauma, which can do more than bruise or even break a bone: She’s witnessed these rounds do internal damage to organs like the lungs and heart and injure nerve bundles in limbs, necessitating amputation.

“I don’t know why, they do seem to directly hit people’s eyes [a lot]. It hits your eye and ruptures the eyeball, or the globe . . . basically, your eyeball explodes,” she says. But the terrifying truth is that someone losing their sight to a less-lethal round may have actually gotten lucky. “The eye is a very open entry point to the brain,” she adds, which is a primary route for these less-lethal rounds to kill.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by MTK

You've got some good info here too bad it's ruined by being an asshole.

Of course I am an asshole in your eyes because I don't think exactly like you do. I thought you come from the party of "tolerance?" You seem to only tolerate those that think like you do, you constantly condescend toward people with a difference of opinion, even though you are constantly proved wrong in your thinking. This one is a slam dunk, you thought sharpshooter cops could purposely shoot people's eyes out with rubber bullets. You look like a fool to anyone but yourself, but keep putting me down because we have a difference of opinion.

Now you have resorted to name calling, another page from the liberal playbook.

[MTK]

NYPD officer violently shoves woman during George Floyd protest, prompting city councilman to call for assault charge

What about this? Was she rioting?

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

NYPD officer violently shoves woman during George Floyd protest, prompting city councilman to call for assault charge

What about this? Was she rioting?

Yeah I can’t pull the video, but I’ll say there is never an absolute...but a strong majority of police are trying to do the right thing.

Police here are in a no win situation after the Floyd murder...I’ve read complaints in both Minnesota and Chicago of “Where are the cops”...like if they are there it’s a problem, if they aren’t it’s a problem...I seen some assaulted and not fighting back, which is amazing restraint. Heck several police have been killed

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I can’t pull the video, but I’ll say there is never an absolute...but a strong majority of police are trying to do the right thing.

Police here are in a no win situation after the Floyd murder...I’ve read complaints in both Minnesota and Chicago of “Where are the cops”...like if they are there it’s a problem, if they aren’t it’s a problem...I seen some assaulted and not fighting back, which is amazing restraint. Heck several police have been killed

For the record I agree. Despite what some think a liberal like myself does not hate cops and love criminals. My ex father in law was a NYC cop back in the day.

[Chico23231]

I’d like the cops to bring out a cannon with a loaded grape-shot of rubber bullets and when those rioters start doing their rioting citizen-actions, angle the cannon towards the ground and pull the string. As the tens of rubber bullets released from the cannon Blast, they pick up more speed from the ricochet into the looters. At the lower trajectory they peg more balls and muffs than eyes.

Simple risk solution to reduce pirate accidents for looters