Archuleta traded to Bears for 6th round pick

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Throw Barrow (another bad choice) out of the equation if you want to. I think the general premise is that we could have stayed with Pierce at middle linebacker without having to pay a 5-year, $25 million dollar contract to a 32 year old guy this year.

I know many are tired of hearing about it, but letting Pierce go was just another spoke in a very large wheel of bad personnel moves by this franchise. Fletcher could turn out to be a big help for us, and for the record, I was in support of his signing. Still, I don't know how anyone could rationally argue that we're better off cap-wise, and youth-wise with Fletcher than we would have with Pierce.

Fletcher is Barrow four years ago. Hopefully the result won't be the same

[FRPLG]

Why is it that so many people think a player who didn't work out was a bad choice?

Is it possible for a player who didn't work to have been a good decision that simply went totally and uncontrollably awry? Barrow was a complete workhorse in NY. Didn't miss games and was a Pro Bowler. Just because he got a crazy ass knee injury that basically ended his career doesn't mean it was a bad choice to me. It means we had bad luck. I don't see how anyone thinks the Barrow move was a bad one.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Why is it that so many people think a player who didn't work out was a bad choice?

Is it possible for a player who didn't work to have been a good decision that simply went totally and uncontrollably awry? Barrow was a complete workhorse in NY. Didn't miss games and was a Pro Bowler. Just because he got a crazy ass knee injury that basically ended his career doesn't mean it was a bad choice to me. It means we had bad luck. I don't see how anyone thinks the Barrow move was a bad one.

That's a great post

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Why is it that so many people think a player who didn't work out was a bad choice?

Is it possible for a player who didn't work to have been a good decision that simply went totally and uncontrollably awry? Barrow was a complete workhorse in NY. Didn't miss games and was a Pro Bowler. Just because he got a crazy ass knee injury that basically ended his career doesn't mean it was a bad choice to me. It means we had bad luck. I don't see how anyone thinks the Barrow move was a bad one.

But wasn't there talk in NY of a knee problem with Barrow? I could be wrong, but I do remember hearing something about an injury issue with him somehow.

As for your theory about a good signing that just didn't work out, right or wrong, good luck or bad luck, you have to look at the results. Sure, there are plain ol' hard luck cases every team can point to. One that sticks out was Yatil Green -- wide reciever out of U. of Miami. The Dolphins drafted him in the first round. Year one, he tears his ACL -- out for the season. Year two, he blows out the other ACL. I don't think he lasted another season in the league. That's exhibit A in hard luck cases.

Bottom line, you either have hits or misses. Barrow was a miss. Does the front office deserve ridicule for an injury-plagued guy? Maybe not. But teams like the Patriots suffer big-time injuries and don't seem to miss a beat. And right or wrong, they are judged by the players they bring in and how they contribute. The problem is that the Redskins have way too many other misses that go along with Barrow. And ultimately, it contributes to their overall perception around the league as bumbling buffoons.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If we trade down and Landry is one of several picks, sure I have no problem with that. But I believe if we hold at #6 and take Landry over a D-lineman...well then, we might as well just draft Ted Ginn at #6 and make him our safety

I don't know why you take a player like Ginn with the 6th pick? Or try to move a lightweight like him to safety???????????

See your problem is like many you seem to be stuck on the fact that you have to draft a lineman because of need regardless if he has NFL ability to be a big difference maker.

So I guess we draft Adams and field 2 undersized D-lineman who will get man handled at the line of scrimmage, instead of just Carter being thrown around by TE's. Funny here we are addressing a pass rusher again this year, but correct me if I am wrong wasn't this addressed last off season? And there you have it signing or drafting players out of need rather than actual ability can become very repetitive, and expensive. In other words we may winde up with an average NFL lineman who's production wouldn't be much different than most other NFL lineman, rather than a real stud to pair with Taylor. And yes we should be able to trade down a bit recoupe some picks or pick and still get him.

And correct me if I am wrong again at last glance we do have a big need at safety, enough so that last season we handed out the biggest contract ever for a safety to pair with Taylor, now that AA is gone and we are back to square one I am to believe that the safety position is no longer that important?

And if we are able to trade down and get both Landry and a #2 that should allow us to either make a move or sit tight and grab either Moss, Blalock, or Grubbs, filling 2 needs instead of 1. Give that scenerio every time!

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But wasn't there talk in NY of a knee problem with Barrow? I could be wrong, but I do remember hearing something about an injury issue with him somehow.

As for your theory about a good signing that just didn't work out, right or wrong, good luck or bad luck, you have to look at the results. Sure, there are plain ol' hard luck cases every team can point to. One that sticks out was Yatil Green -- wide reciever out of U. of Miami. The Dolphins drafted him in the first round. Year one, he tears his ACL -- out for the season. Year two, he blows out the other ACL. I don't think he lasted another season in the league. That's exhibit A in hard luck cases.

Bottom line, you either have hits or misses. Barrow was a miss. Does the front office deserve ridicule for an injury-plagued guy? Maybe not. But teams like the Patriots suffer big-time injuries and don't seem to miss a beat. And right or wrong, they are judged by the players they bring in and how they contribute. The problem is that the Redskins have way too many other misses that go along with Barrow. And ultimately, it contributes to their overall perception around the league as bumbling buffoons.

What's interesting is we don't get any "praise" for how the defense didn't miss a beat when Barrow went down and was replaced by an unknown in Antonio Pierce.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

What's interesting is we don't get any "praise" for how the defense didn't miss a beat when Barrow went down and was replaced by an unknown in Antonio Pierce.

Well, it wouldn't be fair to praise this front office for spotting the talent in Antonio Pierce -- credit goes to Marty Schottenheimer for that.

We were ranked #3 overall defensively in 2004. I remember hearing plenty of praise for the coaching and the performance of the players that year, and deservedly so.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

I dont see how its a wash. We let someone go who is a probowler, replaced him with a guy that never saw the field, then replaced him with a guy who was / is out of position and now had to overpay for a 32 mlb. its not wash. LaVar didn't play middle. fact is we dont pay our own, but have no problems throwing millions at other teams players.

Money it wasn't a wash but Arrington going we got money back! So I guess it was a wash after all because when he left he WAS WASHED UP !!!!

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, it wouldn't be fair to praise this front office for spotting the talent in Antonio Pierce -- credit goes to Marty Schottenheimer for that.

We were ranked #3 overall defensively in 2004. I remember hearing plenty of praise for the coaching and the performance of the players that year, and deservedly so.

Who ever spotted Pierce needs to take a hard look at our draft picks in april if he is not around now!!!

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Well, it wouldn't be fair to praise this front office for spotting the talent in Antonio Pierce -- credit goes to Marty Schottenheimer for that.

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True that Marty gets the credit for finding him but GW gets the credit for his developement.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

6th is about what we should have expected for him.....


Worst FA Blunder maybe ever for the Washington Redskins, just a stupid ass signing with Sean Taylor already here. I honestly think Archuletta will be a impact player next season now that he's in Chicago.

How will he all of a sudden become an impact player when he never has been? I think he'll go there and play the run more than the pass thats for sure. He can't cover. Last time I checked you don't trade impact players for 6th round draft picks.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

True that Marty gets the credit for finding him but GW gets the credit for his developement.

Not to nitpick, but Pierce was taken in the 2001 season, and was in the league 3 seasons before GW got to him.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

How will he all of a sudden become an impact player when he never has been? I think he'll go there and play the run more than the pass thats for sure. He can't cover. Last time I checked you don't trade impact players for 6th round draft picks.

i agree. while i dont think A.A. was as bad a player as he showed( or didnt show) last season, he was exposed to the point that when he is now on the field, teams are going to go after him in the pass game and MAKE him cover someone

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

Seriously! You guys think we could have gotten a THIRD!?!? The writing was on the wall that despite what Gibbs says, Arch was gone. Why would they part ways with a 3rd if he was probaboly just gonna get axed anyways.

We gave up pur 3rd for T.J. Duckett...