Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[itvnetop]

Should we be successful attaining CJ, I believe our fan base will have forgotten this argument when he's catching bombs from Campbell. I would look forward to CJ/Portis press conferences...

[Hog1]

I have not read all 11 pages...but how does CJ fit with the team. What will be the reaction from Santana, El, and the others? The guy obviously has talent. But we have been down this road with...."talents" that don't work out in reality....several times.
As SS stated in another thread, you have to examine a player that DEMANDS to be traded. I am not an advocate of the T.O. mentality, and I have no desire to remake (or risk) a good nucleus that we already have.
To pricey...to much me, me, me

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Angry

I was going to post something, but the link didn't work. Rather than trying to fix the whole thing you see this.

It's not showing up on my screen. What is it?

[SBXVII]

I guess it goes back to how you want to spin it....Welker was #11 on the list. with only 1,175 yrds total. He averaged only 10.5 yrds per catch. Not as good as CJ. and he had the same # of TD's.

Your right about Palmer I should not have said that he had 100 more att, and 100 more comp. but his QB rating is only 60.4% and Campbells is 60%. I'm trying to put a better spin on it but I can't. He was ranked #5 and Campbell was ranked #16 Sorry.

[MTK]

Why does trading one pick this year mean we can't address our needs?

We will likely be drafting a WR anyway, and what rookie WR out there would be able to give us the kind of production that someone like Johnson could give us?

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why does trading one pick this year mean we can't address our needs?

We will likely be drafting a WR anyway, and what rookie WR out there would be able to give us the kind of production that someone like Johnson could give us?

We here this same argument every time we decide to sign or trade for a WR, it's a never ending cycle. Moss and EL can no longer catch a ball so we need Chad? And Lloyd is gone, 3 WR's we had to have and now we need to get CJ, nobody ever stops to think that it could very well be the team concept and players around the skill players which inhibits their play, kind of ironic that Moss and El both started to get open as soon as Collins took over?

I will say this, Zorns new offensive approach better click with Campbell, if it does we wont need Chad, if it doesn't then all the Chads in the world ain't gonna help our offense. The west coast offense has had a ton of success without big name WR's, we have to many needs for this trade to make sense, we can turn that #1 pick into possibly 2 or 3 more picks by trading back into the second round, Chad Johnson is not the be all and end all when it comes to wide outs!

[onlydarksets]

Skill positions also reduce the workload of the O-line. If the D has to respect two receivers plus possibly another coming off the line (TE) and a fourth checkdown option, they can't stack the box every single play.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Why does trading one pick this year mean we can't address our needs?

We will likely be drafting a WR anyway, and what rookie WR out there would be able to give us the kind of production that someone like Johnson could give us?

I'd rather see us use our picks to gain depth at key areas and build a foundation where we have guys ready to go should we lose a starter or two to injury. Right now, because we focus so much on names, when a guy goes down, there's hardly anyone on the roster to fill the position and we have to rely on the waiver wire.

Originally Posted by onlydarksets

Skill positions also reduce the workload of the O-line. If the D has to respect two receivers plus possibly another coming off the line (TE) and a fourth checkdown option, they can't stack the box every single play.

But, if that o-line isn't blocking well to begin with, it would negate any effective running game and prevent JC from having time to even get to that fourth checkdown option. We need to groom our own talent instead of going after players in their '30s.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by KB24

I'd rather see us use our picks to gain depth at key areas and build a foundation where we have guys ready to go should we lose a starter or two to injury. Right now, because we focus so much on names, when a guy goes down, there's hardly anyone on the roster to fill the position and we have to rely on the waiver wire.

A direct result of that this past season was that we were using Lorenzo Alexander as a pulling guard late in the season because he was the most effective pulling blocker we had on the roster.

Lorenzo Alexander is an undrafted rookie Defensive Tackle and we used him to fill a hole in our offense. The guy is an undrafted rookie that plays defense and he was the best product that we came up with to pull block on offense?

The depth on both sides of the ball is pathetic.

[KB24]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

A direct result of that this past season was that we were using Lorenzo Alexander as a pulling guard late in the season because he was the most effective pulling blocker we had on the roster.

Lorenzo Alexander is an undrafted rookie Defensive Tackle and we used him to fill a hole in our offense. The guy is an undrafted rookie that plays defense and he was the best product that we came up with to pull block on offense?

The depth on both sides of the ball is pathetic.

And to piggyback on that, there were times where we had to use Chris Cooley as an extra blocker -- because the line was ineffective -- instead of getting him out into the secondary where he needs to be.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by KB24

And to piggyback on that, there were times where we had to use Chris Cooley as an extra blocker -- because the line was ineffective -- instead of getting him out into the secondary where he needs to be.

So the answer to that problem would be to select a backup first round offensive lineman?! What a waste of a first round pick!

[Hog1]

Good point. It relieves the entire O in general to have another legit threat

[Skinny Tee]

It looks like we are going to have to wait until hell freezes over to have CJ/Bolden in a Skins uniform.


Until then here's a constructive question, who are we going to select with our first round pick and next year's third?...I'd like some O/D lineman.

[Schneed10]

My problem with trading so much for Chad Johnson is the opportunity we're giving up to pay a 1st round pick only about $1.0 million per year. Players picked in the latter half of the first round make 1-2 million per season. We're rumored to be ready to pay Chad Johnson $21 million guaranteed. The guy's already 30, and I don't like the labor strife that appears to be bearing down on the league.

Right now, you have to say that there's a greater than 50% chance there will be a lockout/strike of some kind within the next few years, possibly involving the voiding of the current CBA, which would push the league into one last uncapped season. In that scenario, all signing bonus money would accelerate and hit your cap that season.

Given this likely scenario, I don't like the idea of adding a big bonus to the payroll. We'd be setting ourselves up for a total dismantling of the team should a last uncapped season come to fruition.

Given that we don't have tons of cap space the next few seasons, and a lot of bonus money is tied up in Cooley, Portis, and numerous others, I'd relish the opportunity to pay our 1st round pick only $1-2 million per season.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

My problem with trading so much for Chad Johnson is the opportunity we're giving up to pay a 1st round pick only about $1.0 million per year. Players picked in the latter half of the first round make 1-2 million per season. We're rumored to be ready to pay Chad Johnson $21 million guaranteed. The guy's already 30, and I don't like the labor strife that appears to be bearing down on the league.

Right now, you have to say that there's a greater than 50% chance there will be a lockout/strike of some kind within the next few years, possibly involving the voiding of the current CBA, which would push the league into one last uncapped season. In that scenario, all signing bonus money would accelerate and hit your cap that season.

Given this likely scenario, I don't like the idea of adding a big bonus to the payroll. We'd be setting ourselves up for a total dismantling of the team should a last uncapped season come to fruition.

Given that we don't have tons of cap space the next few seasons, and a lot of bonus money is tied up in Cooley, Portis, and numerous others, I'd relish the opportunity to pay our 1st round pick only $1-2 million per season.

See, I can live with this logic. Good post.