Obama Care

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

LOL @ Orwellian. I'm very impressed IBD, not so very slick stuff but scary nonetheless. Word of caution though IBD, if you're going to go after mainstream Americans to share your views avoid using righting rhetoric. The right wing is already with you and you really don't want to be seen as impartial. Did you see the wingnut vocabulary that I saw? I'm starting to suspect there's a wingnut grammar book out there, one that's due for a major tuneup.

Funny thing is you high lighted the stuff the left seems to ignore.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

The latest on Obama Care:

Congressional Budget Director Warns Health Care Bills Will Raise Costs - Political News - FOXNews.com

When Harry Reid is accussing the CBO of playing partisan politics considering the balance of power in DC you have to find that incredibly laughable. This should be a very clear, very loud signal to all those that aren't wearing their partisan hats 24x7. The left wing of the Dem party and the White House should take a major step back and truly evaluate different solutions to health care reform rather than the piss-poor current Health Care legislation.

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- It's Not An Option

From the article: "It didn't take long to run into an "uh-oh" moment when reading the House's "health care for all Americans" bill. Right there on Page 16 is a provision making individual private medical insurance illegal.
When we first saw the paragraph Tuesday, just after the 1,018-page document was released, we thought we surely must be misreading it. So we sought help from the House Ways and Means Committee.
It turns out we were right: The provision would indeed outlaw individual private coverage. Under the Orwellian header of "Protecting The Choice To Keep Current Coverage," the "Limitation On New Enrollment" section of the bill clearly states:
"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law.

So the lefties who railed against Bush and the Patriot Act have no problem with this Administration and Congress trampling on individual freedom.....

Good thing I'll be grandfathered in if this bill passes. I have great private medical insurance. Thank goodness "Premier Obama" (LOL by the way) can't strip me of that.

Interesting stuff here:

Director’s Blog » Blog Archive » The Long-Term Budget Outlook

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Good thing I'll be grandfathered in if this bill passes. I have great private medical insurance. Thank goodness "Premier Obama" (LOL by the way) can't strip me of that.

Interesting stuff here:

Director’s Blog » Blog Archive » The Long-Term Budget Outlook

We prefer the title "Emperor Obama" thank you. "Lord Obama" is also acceptable.

[CRedskinsRule]

between Slinging Sammy and Saden, I think the whole IBD quote is now in bold!

[FRPLG]

This whole proposal highlights to me the problem with Washington politics. Both sides are so eager to do something about something that they ignore the details. The throw together a mishmash of proposals with no real understanding of what they mean in the real world. Slap a nice name on it so it sounds awesome. Put it out there and ignore everyone with a clue saying it wont work and then they pass it. The only people I see who are behind this deal are politicians. Oh plenty of people are behind the principles attached, they are truly noble and worth pursuin,g but this proposal is a steaming pile and everyone knows it. But at the end of the day politicians get to say they did something.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This whole proposal highlights to me the problem with Washington politics. Both sides are so eager to do something about something that they ignore the details. The throw together a mishmash of proposals with no real understanding of what they mean in the real world. Slap a nice name on it so it sounds awesome. Put it out there and ignore everyone with a clue saying it wont work and then they pass it. The only people I see who are behind this deal are politicians. Oh plenty of people are behind the principles attached, they are truly noble and worth pursuin,g but this proposal is a steaming pile and everyone knows it. But at the end of the day politicians get to say they did something.

Saden

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

This whole proposal highlights to me the problem with Washington politics. Both sides are so eager to do something about something that they ignore the details. The throw together a mishmash of proposals with no real understanding of what they mean in the real world. Slap a nice name on it so it sounds awesome. Put it out there and ignore everyone with a clue saying it wont work and then they pass it. The only people I see who are behind this deal are politicians. Oh plenty of people are behind the principles attached, they are truly noble and worth pursuin,g but this proposal is a steaming pile and everyone knows it. But at the end of the day politicians get to say they did something.

Seriously. It has the feel of the Dems wanting to shove 20 years worth of agenda down our throats ASAP. Especially the fact that Obama is pushing hard to get this crammed through Congress before the August recess.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Seriously. It has the feel of the Dems wanting to shove 20 years worth of agenda down our throats ASAP. Especially the fact that Obama is pushing hard to get this crammed through Congress before the August recess.

They want it passed before people wake up and realize what a sh!t a$$ plan he has. The term socialist for Obama is become to mild of a term.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They want it passed before people wake up and realize what a sh!t a$$ plan he has. The term socialist for Obama is become to mild of a term.

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

Ahhhhhh!! Now I see the attraction for saden.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

Its not about reducing cost or providing better care its a power grab by the Democrats no matter what the cost is or the damage it does. They just want control over more people so they can use them to gain votes. Thats why they did not want to allow Americans to use 2% of thier SS to invest on their own. Thats how they work and how they gain their power.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I mean it really does kind of feel that way. Why is it so damn urgent to force something this nation will struggle to pay for for decades through so quickly?? It's not as easy for Obama and Co to play fear politics with this one like they did with the pork.. um stimulus package.

Take your time and get it right. Overhauling the entire health care system should not be a hasty process. This administration really comes off as arrogant.

See to me it isn't about a power grab or anything like that. I think philosophically they'd rather try to address a problem however they can, right or wrong, rather than wait and try to do it right. To them it is worse to do nothing than to try something that probably won't work. That basic moral compass points them away from reason and helps them embrace political gamesmanship. And this isn't just Democrats, it is everyone. It's the way our nation is governed now.

[firstdown]

For all of you think I should fork out more money when I already send them over $1400 a month for SS which they say might run out please explain why I should be willing to give them more money? Thats just what they take from me for SS. Yes today was bill day at the office and I just get ticked when I look at those numbers. I think of how much earlier and how much more money I would have if I could keep invest that money into my retirement account. Now I have people telling me I need to fork over more money for another programe and they can't even fix what is allready broken. So For Obama and others who want more of the hard earned money of mine they can just pucker up and kiss my a$$. Ok, now that I'm done with that rant I have a 1:30 Tee time to relax and get my weekend started. I usually win money playing golf I wonder if some Dem. will be waiting on the 19th hole to get his share.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For all of you think I should fork out more money when I already send them over $1400 a month for SS which they say might run out please explain why I should be willing to give them more money? Thats just what they take from me for SS. Yes today was bill day at the office and I just get ticked when I look at those numbers. I think of how much earlier and how much more money I would have if I could keep invest that money into my retirement account. Now I have people telling me I need to fork over more money for another programe and they can't even fix what is allready broken. So For Obama and others who want more of the hard earned money of mine they can just pucker up and kiss my a$$. Ok, now that I'm done with that rant I have a 1:30 Tee time to relax and get my weekend started. I usually win money playing golf I wonder if some Dem. will be waiting on the 19th hole to get his share.

This is genuinely funny. Good job!

Keep in mind, you probably would have much less, or possibly no, "hard earned money" if there was no government/infrastructure. It's a give and take, not just a take.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Keep in mind, you probably would have much less, or possibly no, "hard earned money" if there was no government/infrastructure. It's a give and take, not just a take.

Please explain how the federal government/infrastructure allows private individuals & companies to make money? As far as the government infrastructure goes we already pay for that, far more than we should. The government provides military to make sure we don't get taken over, OK. Interstate roads receive federal funding, I get it. Possibly some oversight into banking and finance, OK I get that too. What else could the fed possibly do to make sure I have "hard earned money"? I'd gladly keep my 7.8 or so percent of my paycheck for SS and Medicare and handle my own retirement. States/localities provide over 94% of education funding. Police and Fire are provided through state and local taxes.

You will recall, I'm sure, from your history lessons that there was no income tax in the U.S. until the early part of the 20th century. The country was doing just fine economically without it.