AH trade II La Canfora insists AH is indeed on the trading block.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Shanny/Allen would have lost enormous street cred trading the best defensive player in football for a 2nd rd pick (let alone an effing 3rd).

...in a sense things haven't changed much that it requires other franchises saving the Skins FO from itself. But at any point it looks as though the relationship w/ Al won't be repaired. If we get lucky a top DT will get seriously injured so we get the kind of value Al is actually worth i.e. a 1st rd pick next year. I could see this if Minn sees one of the Williams go down.

Or maybe Albert will realize that he likes the new hybrid system and that it's not bad after all and Shanahan and him kiss and make up.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I mean we still can land Bruce Campbell in the 4th round, which would help salvage this poor draft of ours. What if we had our 2nd and 5th back? WE could have landed anothe OL in the 2nd or a stud LB or S. We have multiple needs and for once it would be nice to fully utilize the draft for a change to meet them. I guess I am like a bunch of Obama voters, who expected change and got the same old shit. I hope I am wrong about the 2010 campaign, but the schedule is a bitch, and we really need an upgrade to do well!!!

Dude, you are just way to negative. There are a thousand ways to spin any action, and you seem like you have found a way to wrap them all in to one giant Turdball.

For the culture to change, which Shanny is trying to, the FO can't be in the desparation mode like you seem to be. They are taking reasonable steps, setting decent limits, and as much as they can, enforcing a disciplined and equal routine on all our players. A 3rd round pick, received at an unfair value, is a far worse move than keeping an overpaid player, who has said he will do whatever the coaches ask. Your desparation reminds me of Vinny last year rushing to the platform for Orakpo. It will be ok, we can take our time, use all our resources, and have a successful draft, and remolding of our Redskins.

As a reminder:
1st= T Williams - Franchise OL (yes I am hedging, but he will be an anchor somewhere on our line for 10 years)
2nd = D McNabb - Franchise QB for the next few years (still I wasn't a fan at all of the move, but McNabb's attitude and actions are swaying me)
3rd = J Jarmon - 1 year in already, very good pick up at the time and still alot of potential
4th = TBD - 3 possible OT's, Matt Tennant C, a solid potential QB or two, all are still available looks like this should be a productive pick
5th = TBD + Carriker (yes the FO actually gained a player without costing us an actual pick, only positioning)
6th = Vinny's fault (and along this line, your incessant call for trades would lead us down this type route) you build picks by not trading up unless absolutely necessary, and you let trades come to you, not vice versa.
7th = TBD possibly used in conjunction to move up a spot or two somewhere in rounds 4 or 5.


I don't think this counts as a shoddy draft.

[internetcareer]

Originally Posted by internetcareer

Here is a case where one of the so called "media experts" predicts something. If it happens the guy is a genius. If it doesn't then he CLAIMS that nobody was willing to pay the price.

On the flip side...I would say virtually every player is on the trade block if the price is right.

I will quote myself again because it is worth repeating. Some of you are not reading these posts and then saying things like: " oh I am tired of hearing about this, just get rid of him". This is a foolish attitude.

Albert has not done anything wrong so far. He will attend all required camps and practices and when he gets there he will bring a ton of thunder with him.
There is not comparable player in the NFL to Haynseworth. He must be accounted for on both the run and the pass. Same as Orakpo.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Or maybe Albert will realize that he likes the new hybrid system and that it's not bad after all and Shanahan and him kiss and make up.

Assuming there's really anything to make up about. If anybody should be apologizing right now it should be the media for peddling crappy rumors.

[skins89moss]

Im glad we did not trade AH for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He forces offenses to game plan for him. I think our D-line will be much better this season than last. Im concerned more about our LineBackers who do not have much experience in the 3-4 defense. We need to focus on another OT and 3-4 line backers in rounds 4-7. I hope we can get a few more picks for JC if not we should just keep JC until another team gets a injury to their QB. JLF is a idiot and I never like him when he would appear on Washington Post Live. He seem always negative to the Redskins organization.

[Dirtbag59]

And also keep in mind that Haynesworth actually played a lot more then people realized. So while some people will see the signing of DL after DL after DL as a sign that they want to move Haynesworth, people should consider the possibility that they want to reduce the number of snaps he plays and thereby maximize his effectiveness per snap.

Defending Albert Haynesworth Yet Again: He’s Playing About 75% of the Snaps | Mr. Irrelevant, a D.C. Sports Blog by the Brothers Mottram

Albert Haynesworth Isn't Loafing -- NFL FanHouse

As we mentioned earlier this week, Haynesworth played more than 70 percent of Washington's defense's snaps in the opener against the Giants, so it's hard to say that he was begging out of playing time. And when he was in there, he gave a good effort. Especially when it comes to pass rushing, it's pretty easy to tell when a player is out of gas and giving no effort. They can just stand at the line, move their feet a little bit and get in a stalemate with the offensive linemen.

I personally feel stupid for ever buying into the Haynesworth trade hype.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

And also keep in mind that Haynesworth actually played a lot more then people realized. So while some people will see the signing of DL after DL after DL as a sign that they want to move Haynesworth, people should consider the possibility that they want to reduce the number of snaps he plays and thereby maximize his effectiveness per snap.

Defending Albert Haynesworth Yet Again: He’s Playing About 75% of the Snaps | Mr. Irrelevant, a D.C. Sports Blog by the Brothers Mottram

Albert Haynesworth Isn't Loafing -- NFL FanHouse



I personally feel stupid for ever buying into the Haynesworth trade hype.

You shouldn't feel stupid. JLC should feel stupid because he is a fraud. You would think that when the NFL Network hires a guy who was a beat reporter for a specific organization, that his reports tied to that organization would have some truth.

JLC is officially Schefter's bitch.

[SirClintonPortis]

JLC got his assed kicked by disinformation and misinformation.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

JLC got his assed kicked by disinformation and misinformation.

what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.

"Most likely for a third rounder". That's misinformation right there. They wanted a 2nd or more and wouldn't budge until Tennessee coughed one up, and that was only to start the conversation.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.

Actually Smoot said the Titans called us and that the Redskins told them that they weren't going to discuss anything until they could come to the table with a 2nd round pick.

[The Goat]

Bottom line is a 2nd rd pick for Al would be terribly stupid. Our FO was saved from itself by the other franchises involved...i think it's that simple.

Obviously I sympathize w/ Haynesworth. He's the best in football and from the information we have available he looked to play at his highest level ever this season. So, you build your defense around the best defensive player playing at his best. Our braintrust opted to go in a different direction despite 1) Haynesworth 2) we (still) don't have the personnel to ensure a strong defense in the new scheme 3) we don't have a proven coach to lead the unit through such a difficult transition.

We should not expect the defense to be a dominant unit this year.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

what the hell are you talking about? Smoot confirmed that we were deep in negotiations with the Titans - if the ravens had traded with the titans for a TE instead of drafting one, we'd be debating whether we got fair value for Haynesworth now. JLCs report was spot on. Like smoot said, alot of times, these things fall through at the last minute. thats what happened here. whether you are happy or upset that the deal didnt go through is one thing, but i dont get why everyone is acting like JLC just made stuff up. he didnt.

JLC was wrong as soon as he said Godzilla would be traded for a third. Then he made it even worse by sticking by his story.

He has more "egg" on his face then that 20 year old who was in the bathroom with Ben...

[wilsowilso]

JLC is a bitch. He looks like a bitch and he acts like a bitch. He is a hack bitch.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

JLC is a bitch. He looks like a bitch and he acts like a bitch. He is a hack bitch.

Schefter is JLC's diddy.