Redskins: 2012 Off-Season-Free Agency/Trades

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Jackson is the kind of receiver Snyder and Cerrato would have jumped to sign. He's not the kind of player i want us to go after.

Well there is some evidence that Shanny has liked VJ for years. I agree that we don't want to do business like we did under Snyderatto ever again, but there has to be a middle ground. Eventually we are going to need to sign a big name free agent and when we do it does not mean that Vinny is coming back. I think Shanny & Bruce have already proved that they know how to handle the salary cap sensibly. DC is no longer the place for free agents to ring the cash register. And that means if they think VJ can make a big difference in their offense and is worth the big pay day then I have no problem with it...

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well there is some evidence that Shanny has liked VJ for years. I agree that we don't want to do business like we did under Snyderatto ever again, but there has to be a middle ground. Eventually we are going to need to sign a big name free agent and when we do it does not mean that Vinny is coming back. I think Shanny & Bruce have already proved that they know how to handle the salary cap sensibly. DC is no longer the place for free agents to ring the cash register. And that means if they think VJ can make a big difference in their offense and is worth the big pay day then I have no problem with it...

For everyone who hated the Haynesworth drama, (which should be everyone), this is where it can come back to help the team in the future. If any player wants a place where name/contract alone will give you a free ride, I am pretty sure, they will not be coming to the Skins while Bruce and Shanny are here. But IF they get the big bucks, and come to perform, I think they will be rewarded. Bad FA spending is not just big names, it's when big names come and be big busts.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

For everyone who hated the Haynesworth drama, (which should be everyone), this is where it can come back to help the team in the future. If any player wants a place where name/contract alone will give you a free ride, I am pretty sure, they will not be coming to the Skins while Bruce and Shanny are here. But IF they get the big bucks, and come to perform, I think they will be rewarded. Bad FA spending is not just big names, it's when big names come and be big busts.

Agreed...that big Al mess, while unpleasant to listen to did serve a purpose.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well there is some evidence that Shanny has liked VJ for years. I agree that we don't want to do business like we did under Snyderatto ever again, but there has to be a middle ground. Eventually we are going to need to sign a big name free agent and when we do it does not mean that Vinny is coming back. I think Shanny & Bruce have already proved that they know how to handle the salary cap sensibly. DC is no longer the place for free agents to ring the cash register. And that means if they think VJ can make a big difference in their offense and is worth the big pay day then I have no problem with it...

I've got no problem signing a big name free agent. My problem is signing a 29 year old guy with character concerns who is one joint away from a one year suspension to a mega-contract. To do so would be irresponsible. All it would take is one party with our starting receiver, starting left tackle, and starting tight end and we'd lose all three for a year.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I've got no problem signing a big name free agent. My problem is signing a 29 year old guy with character concerns who is one joint away from a one year suspension to a mega-contract. To do so would be irresponsible. All it would take is one party with our starting receiver, starting left tackle, and starting tight end and we'd lose all three for a year.

I hear you...valid points. He's definitely a risk but I am going to give them a pass on this one if they think they need him. #1 WR's don't go on trees...there are probably only about 15 or so of them in the whole league and this guys one of them. I don't think you can make a living taking a lot of these chances but occasionally you have to take some risks if the need is big enough...

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by celts32

Well there is some evidence that Shanny has liked VJ for years. I agree that we don't want to do business like we did under Snyderatto ever again, but there has to be a middle ground. Eventually we are going to need to sign a big name free agent and when we do it does not mean that Vinny is coming back. I think Shanny & Bruce have already proved that they know how to handle the salary cap sensibly. DC is no longer the place for free agents to ring the cash register. And that means if they think VJ can make a big difference in their offense and is worth the big pay day then I have no problem with it...

Part of the reason the Snyderatto strategy rarely worked is because they kept going after skill players without a QB. As long as the Redsins plan to get a quality QB then a big time receiver like VJax has a chance to work here in DC, otherwise it will be Brandon Lloyd all over again.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Part of the reason the Snyderatto strategy rarely worked is because they kept going after skill players without a QB. As long as the Redsins plan to get a quality QB then a big time receiver like VJax has a chance to work here in DC, otherwise it will be Brandon Lloyd all over again.

Agree completely...but I am assuming the QB is coming in the form of RG3 or Peyton. Without the QB we are shuffling deck chairs no matter what we do...

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Part of the reason the Snyderatto strategy rarely worked is because they kept going after skill players without a QB. As long as the Redsins plan to get a quality QB then a big time receiver like VJax has a chance to work here in DC, otherwise it will be Brandon Lloyd all over again.

Gaffney had over 900 yards with Bex at the helm. Vjax couldn't do any better than that? He only had 1100 yards with Rivers. Hell, Moss had 1500 yards with Brunell. Depends on what you mean by "work out". Rex to VJax probably wouldn't amount to many more wins, if any at all, but I don't think VJax would have any problems posting the same numbers. Rex can sling it around just fine. He just throws too many INTs. Lloyd is a bad example. He couldn't even get on the field.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I've cooled a bit on wanting VJ here, now I'm thinking I'd rather go after someone like Garcon who's younger and has his best years ahead.

I've been thinking the same thing, if for no other reason I'd enjoy his 6'5" frame on Madden.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I've been thinking the same thing, if for no other reason I'd enjoy his 6'5" frame on Madden.

who is 6'5"?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

who is 6'5"?

That would be Vincent Jackson.

[Mahons21]

I'd be too nervous Jackson is just looking for his pay day. Doesn't seem like we'd be able to get away with an incentive laden deal. I'd pass on him, but BA/MS know a lot more than I do, if they get him they must see something to alleviate these concerns which I'm sure they've discussed.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

If we had manning as qb, I'd be more inclined to take a gamble on Jackson. He'd keep everyone inline. But if we were stuck with Orton, grossman, or a rookie -even rg3- I can see this place turning into a circus

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

If we had manning as qb, I'd be more inclined to take a gamble on Jackson. He'd keep everyone inline. But if we were stuck with Orton, grossman, or a rookie -even rg3- I can see this place turning into a circus

Jackson alone would turn things into a circus?

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Jackson alone would turn things into a circus?

Yep. A regular ol' Barnum and Bailey. Can you imagine it? V-Jax, FD, and TW rolling doobies in one corner of the locker room, the defensive players in another corner plotting bounties on their own offensive teammates (because the circus has twisted their sense of morality and right/wrong all upside down), all of the coaches tied up while FD teaches RG3 how to "speak bluntly."

In the meantime Dan Snyder sits up in his office laughing maniacally about how he's going to sign every big name free agent now that Mike S. is out of the way, and Bruce Allen hides under his desk wishing he were back in Tampa. The madhouse will prevail!