The everything Gruden thread

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Gruden sees McCoy getting more confident | Comcast SportsNet Washington

I really like Colt. Humble and mature. Call me a homer but I'm already hoping he earns the starting spot for years to come. So hard to find a franchise QB and we're due for some good fortune after so many gdamn disappointments.

If Colt becomes the guy, we can focus on other team weaknesses in FA/draft and be competitive at least next year.

My friend, Colt is not nor ever will be a franchise QB. One characteristic of a franchise QB is that he has to have an arm so strong that he can threaten the defense with a deep ball. He doesn't have to throw deep, he just has to have the threat. Without this threat, defenses cheat against the run and the short pass alike.

The Texas Noodle's arm doesn't threaten even my grandma.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

My friend, Colt is not nor ever will be a franchise QB. One characteristic of a franchise QB is that he has to have an arm so strong that he can threaten the defense with a deep ball. He doesn't have to throw deep, he just has to have the threat. Without this threat, defenses cheat against the run and the short pass alike.

The Texas Noodle's arm doesn't threaten even my grandma.

I've seen several guys with average arms that were great QB's. Some are in the HOF. Not saying Colt is one of those guys cause he's not, but he has enough arm to get the job done.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I've seen several guys with average arms that were great QB's. Some are in the HOF. Not saying Colt is one of those guys cause he's not, but he has enough arm to get the job done.

IMO McCoy does not have an average arm. McCoy's arm is so weak that it is sometimes painful to watch.

Name one HoF QB who had not just a weak arm, but an arm as weak as McCoy's wet paper towel of an arm.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

IMO McCoy does not have an average arm. McCoy's arm is so weak that it is sometimes painful to watch.

Name one HoF QB who had not just a weak arm, but an arm as weak as McCoy's wet paper towel of an arm.

Give the guy SOME credit. Weak arm and all, he's the best QB on the roster. Dan Fouts didn't have a strong arm at all and he's in the HOF.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Lotus

My friend, Colt is not nor ever will be a franchise QB. One characteristic of a franchise QB is that he has to have an arm so strong that he can threaten the defense with a deep ball. He doesn't have to throw deep, he just has to have the threat. Without this threat, defenses cheat against the run and the short pass alike.

The Texas Noodle's arm doesn't threaten even my grandma.

Well sir, there's some wiggle in the noodle debate. P Manning doesn't have much of an arm these days, but accuracy and intelligence offsets the one weakness.

Maybe Colt can be a Chad Pennington type QB, perfect for a system with high accuracy and football IQ. Or maybe he needs to hit the weights lol.

Stop killing my optimism.ds

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Well sir, there's some wiggle in the noodle debate. P Manning doesn't have much of an arm these days, but accuracy and intelligence offsets the one weakness.

Maybe Colt can be a Chad Pennington type QB, perfect for a system with high accuracy and football IQ. Or maybe he needs to hit the weights lol.

Stop killing my optimism.ds

I agree that Peyton's arm is not the strongest, but certainly you are not equating his arm with Colt's flimsy equipment.

And in my argument I was actually thinking about Pennington. He failed as a franchise QB and became a journeyman backup precisely because of his weak arm.

Here's some optimism: since even a blind squirrel finds a nut, I am hoping that we can be lucky at QB for once. Maybe we will bring in Bradford and he will change and become durable. Or maybe we'll bring in Locker and find that he has finally gotten his act together. Or maybe someone else - QB's are unpredictably released every year.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I agree that Peyton's arm is not the strongest, but certainly you are not equating his arm with Colt's flimsy equipment.

And in my argument I was actually thinking about Pennington. He failed as a franchise QB and became a journeyman backup precisely because of his weak arm.

Here's some optimism: since even a blind squirrel finds a nut, I am hoping that we can be lucky at QB for once. Maybe we will bring in Bradford and he will change and become durable. Or maybe we'll bring in Locker and find that he has finally gotten his act together. Or maybe someone else - QB's are unpredictably released every year.

Pennington started for the Dolphins late in his career and was really good, only injuries held him back. Shoulder injury I think.

Seriously, can't a 28 yr old QB improve his arm with some strength training?? Colt looks like a noodle, get in the effing weight room whitebread.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Lotus

My friend, Colt is not nor ever will be a franchise QB. One characteristic of a franchise QB is that he has to have an arm so strong that he can threaten the defense with a deep ball. He doesn't have to throw deep, he just has to have the threat. Without this threat, defenses cheat against the run and the short pass alike.

The Texas Noodle's arm doesn't threaten even my grandma.

I don't know about the franchise QB part but I think you're bashing him just for the sake of bashing him and his arm isnt any where near as you describe it.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I don't know about the franchise QB part but I think you're bashing him just for the sake of bashing him and his arm isnt any where near as you describe it.

I'm not bashing him to bash him. He's my favorite QB on our roster.

I think his lack of arm strength is obvious and so do several other Warpath members. Think what you will.

[Rotten1980]

Report: Jay Gruden is done with Robert Griffin III - CBSSports.com

[VTSkins1961]

option 3 - get rid of both of them.... Not saying I would do it....

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Report: Jay Gruden is done with Robert Griffin III - CBSSports.com

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by VTSkins1961

option 3 - get rid of both of them.... Not saying I would do it....

It looks like Gruden's going to draw a line in the sand on this one. Should be an interesting off season over in Ashburn.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

It looks like Gruden's going to draw a line in the sand on this one. Should be an interesting off season over in Ashburn.

Draw a line, my foot. Gruden works for Dan Snyder and, whether he likes it or not, RGIII is a special case.

Snyder should tell Gruden that RGIII will be on the team in 2015, that Gruden must hire a QB Coach, that he (Snyder) expects to receive regular reports from Gruden on RGIII's progress, and that Gruden needs to watch his mouth when he talks to the media about RGIII. Snyder made a big investment in RGIII and he has a right to ensure that every reasonable measure is taken to try to get RGIII on the field as the starting QB of his franchise.

Gruden has not done all he can do to get RGIII ready to play and now he's trying to blow off his responsibility for that objective which he surely must have been given when he was hired. I am not impressed.

[mcludka]

I am all for that as long as the QB coach isn't named Zorn.

[CASKINS]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Draw a line, my foot. Gruden works for Dan Snyder and, whether he likes it or not, RGIII is a special case.

Snyder should tell Gruden that RGIII will be on the team in 2015, that Gruden must hire a QB Coach, that he (Snyder) expects to receive regular reports from Gruden on RGIII's progress, and that Gruden needs to watch his mouth when he talks to the media about RGIII. Snyder made a big investment in RGIII and he has a right to ensure that every reasonable measure is taken to try to get RGIII on the field as the starting QB of his franchise.

Gruden has not done all he can do to get RGIII ready to play and now he's trying to blow off his responsibility for that objective which he surely must have been given when he was hired. I am not impressed.

This is an dangerous area.....I wouldnt show complete favoritism to Robert but rather inform the coach that attitude reflects leadership.