Dwayne Haskins

[skinsfaninok]

After watching every snap from 2018 on Haskins:

STRENGTHS
1. Accurate passer from the pocket, hits all 3 phases well. Short , Medium , Deep.
2. Shows resilience when his team is down in the 4th QTR, led a couple of very good comeback drives late.
3. Leader, you can see his guys love playing with him.
4. Kid is smart, he can recognize coverage very quickly after the snap.

WEAKNESS
1. Footwork needs work, too many times he threw off balance and mechanics were off.
2. Played in a very pass friendly system (as do most College QB's)
3. Times under pressure he missed wide open and I mean WIDE open guys running downfield.
4. Not really a weakness but he isn't very mobile, better than some think though but he is 100% a pocket passer.


Overall I think he's going to be as good as Kirk was, he will put up good numbers if surrounded by weapons like Kirk had. The big difference? Haskins is great in the RZ and in late game situations.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

After watching every snap from 2018 on Haskins:

STRENGTHS
1. Accurate passer from the pocket, hits all 3 phases well. Short , Medium , Deep.
2. Shows resilience when his team is down in the 4th QTR, led a couple of very good comeback drives late.
3. Leader, you can see his guys love playing with him.
4. Kid is smart, he can recognize coverage very quickly after the snap.

WEAKNESS
1. Footwork needs work, too many times he threw off balance and mechanics were off.
2. Played in a very pass friendly system (as do most College QB's)
3. Times under pressure he missed wide open and I mean WIDE open guys running downfield.
4. Not really a weakness but he isn't very mobile, better than some think though but he is 100% a pocket passer.


Overall I think he's going to be as good as Kirk was, he will put up good numbers if surrounded by weapons like Kirk had. The big difference? Haskins is great in the RZ and in late game situations.

Thanks for the analysis. I'm not too concerned about the footwork issue, since that is something Haskins can fix eventually. The biggest thing I love about Haskins is his ability to handle comeback pressure, which is completely opposite of Cousins. While Redskins offense is good enough to protect and develop Haskins this year, Redskins definitely will need to upgrade receivers and maybe tackle position (TW is getting old and Moses need to show he can play at top level consistently) next year to help Haskins go even further.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

Thanks for the analysis. I'm not too concerned about the footwork issue, since that is something Haskins can fix eventually. The biggest thing I love about Haskins is his ability to handle comeback pressure, which is completely opposite of Cousins. While Redskins offense is good enough to protect and develop Haskins this year, Redskins definitely will need to upgrade receivers and maybe tackle position (TW is getting old and Moses need to show he can play at top level consistently) next year to help Haskins go even further.

Weapons will have to be upgraded yearly, especially at TE.

Trent is fine, believe it or not he's still only 30 yrs old

[Meks]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Weapons will have to be upgraded yearly, especially at TE.

Trent is fine, believe it or not he's still only 30 yrs old

I would wait 2 more seasons before spending a 1st rounder on his replacement. Anticipating team needs for next or that year is tough but, I really think we're trending in the right direction (on paper) with the youth we have to make that happen.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Weapons will have to be upgraded yearly, especially at TE.

Trent is fine, believe it or not he's still only 30 yrs old

I take it back. I didn't realize Trent is only 30, for some reason I thought he is mid 30's by now

[skinsnut]

I am frankly not concerned with Haskins as our starter from a passing game standpoint. He will learn the best on the field and in practice getting all the reps.
Putting him on a shelf is crazy if he can play...that ironically could stunt him too as he wont get any reps, or attention if he isn't the starter once the bullets start flying.

I am more concerned with him playing under center. Any new QB must also learn the playbook and establish rapport with playmakers too.
It is a real stretch for him to learn all this, and audibles, checkdowns, protections, etc.
But from my very limited knowledge, he has a bunch of shotgun experience, but not so much snapping the ball.

Am I wrong?

[Chico23231]

The Kevin Sheehan Show podcast first 12 minutes today is a must listen too for Redskins fans. Must listen when it comes to Haskins development

Sheehan sums up the biggest fear of Haskins development perfectly and the lessons Snyder MUST have learned from the RG3 experience. Make no mistake, Haskins was Snyder's pick. Snyder entitled RG3 previously because of his relationship. Snyder MUST...MUST leave Haskins development up to the Coaching staff and can have ZERO input on who starts or how Haskins should be developed.

[MTK]

Call me crazy but I do think Snyder learned from the RG3 fiasco.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

Call me crazy but I do think Snyder learned from the RG3 fiasco.

I stated this before, but Gruden was able to make the case of Cousins over RG3 which lead them to a playoff birth 2015. So that to me is significant...

But we know many have said, after the embarrassing last year with the ratings and home games.... Snyder may have told Bruce his strategy isn't working...we need blue chippers. So Old Snyder could be rearing its ugly head again.

We will see, but I cant simply say he has learned...yet.


Oh god, Vinny in the Sheenhans podcast says "Dan did a good job with his evaluations of Haskins and made a good pick"....Vinny said he really liked Haskins. damn

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I stated this before, but Gruden was able to make the case of Cousins over RG3 which lead them to a playoff birth 2015. So that to me is significant...



But we know many have said, after the embarrassing last year with the ratings and home games.... Snyder may have told Bruce his strategy isn't working...we need blue chippers. So Old Snyder could be rearing its ugly head again.



We will see, but I cant simply say he has learned...yet.





Oh god, Vinny in the Sheenhans podcast says "Dan did a good job with his evaluations of Haskins and made a good pick"....Vinny said he really liked Haskins. damn

I didn't see your Vinny post before posting about it in the other thread.

Dude is truly any all time idiot with a better record that Bruce.

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[MTK]

I highly recommend checking out John Keim's latest pod with Matt Bowen. Good analysis on Haskins and Sweat, also some good stuff about playing for Spurrier vs Gibbs.

[MTK]

If it was truly the old Snyder he would have traded the farm for Haskins, so at least he learned from that perspective. I can't wait to hear that Vinny interview.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by MTK

If it was truly the old Snyder he would have traded the farm for Haskins, so at least he learned from that perspective. I can't wait to hear that Vinny interview.

Vinny interview has a ton of great quotes already. Anybody who has listened to Vinny before..the guy doesn't hold back and seems very honest in his answers.

The best is under the context of Snyder picking Haskins, Vinny says "if it doesn't work out, it will never be the owner's fault. That's part of the (GM) job, but Snyder will not take the blame for Haskins nor Sweat if it doesn't work out."

Yes your right on the not moving up part, Vinny commented this, "knowing Dan, he probably made calls to move up for Haskins because it takes a lot for Dan to "sit still"."

freaking hilarious, because Vinny honestly describes Dan within the image all the fans picture him as

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Vinny interview has a ton of great quotes already. Anybody who has listened to Vinny before..the guy doesn't hold back and seems very honest in his answers.

The best is under the context of Snyder picking Haskins, Vinny says "if it doesn't work out, it will never be the owner's fault. That's part of the (GM) job, but Snyder will not take the blame for Haskins nor Sweat if it doesn't work out."

Yes your right on the not moving up part, Vinny commented this, "knowing Dan, he probably made calls to move up for Haskins because it takes a lot for Dan to "sit still"."

freaking hilarious, because Vinny honestly describes Dan within the image all the fans picture him as

I was hoping he would open up more about the decision to hire Zorn as HC. Maybe he didn't want to admit it was a shit show of a decision.

[skinsfaninok]

https://www.profootballfocus.com/new...each-rookie-qb

Haskins comes into the league in a similar position to Jones in that there is a veteran quarterback with starting experience that stands between him and an immediate path to the top spot on the depth chart. Case Keenum will likely get the starter reps to start the offseason, but given Haskins’ first-round pedigree and Keenum’s shaky play in Denver last season, there’s a decent chance Haskins will take the field as the starter at some point this season.

Haskins was our second-ranked quarterback heading into the draft, behind just Kyler Murray. As Steve Palazzolo broke down in Haskins’ pre-draft evaluation, though, he is not quite in the same tier as Murray in that his success at the next level will likely be dependent on his supporting cast. One area that is paramount is pass protection, as perhaps more than anyone else at the top of the class, Haskins is dependent on a clean pocket to succeed.

His clean-pocket passing grade of 90.4 dropped to 56.7 when pressure got home. Part of that clean-pocket performance was due to how good he was when navigating to his second read, where his 91.5 passing grade on those throws led all quarterback prospects. If the pressure gets home, there is less time for Haskins to hang in the pocket and progress through his reads. Clean pocket quarterback play is stable year to year, and Haskins has shown himself to be among the best in the class when working without pressure. It seems obvious, but the Redskins need to make sure he’s given that clean pocket in order to maximize the play from their first-round selection.

Another area where Haskins excelled when at Ohio State was in play action. He completed 81 of his 122 play-action attempts for 1,351 yards, 17 touchdowns, and just two interceptions. Among 120 FBS quarterbacks with at least 50 play-action attempts in 2018, Haskins’s passer rating of 136.3 on such throws ranked second behind only Tua Tagovailoa.

Play action wasn’t a large part of the repertoire for the Redskins last season, as Alex Smith used play action on only 21.4% of his dropbacks before his injury (22nd out of 32 qualifying quarterbacks). On those play-action attempts, he saw his completion percentage drop 4.3% from when he didn’t use play action, but his yards per attempt jumped from 6.3 to 8.2 yards per attempt.

Among the league-leading offenses in play action rate were the Los Angeles Rams, New England Patriots, and Kansas City Chiefs. Play action has proven to be effective leaguewide, and the league’s best offenses are taking advantage. The Redskins should do the same with Haskins.

Lastly, it should be noted that Haskins is reunited with Ohio State teammate Terry McLaurin in Washington, and it is hard to get much better than that duo was last season. When targeting McLaurin, Haskins went 34-of- 48 for 650 yards, ten touchdowns and no interceptions, good for a passer rating of 152.8. The Redskins will be hoping that connection continues to yield similar results in the NFL.