Will Saunders Affect Our QB Situation?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

No one here, to the best of my knowledge, has said the Ramsey was some dumb jock and had no skills. You're going way overboard!

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

No one here, to the best of my knowledge, has said the Ramsey was some dumb jock and had no skills. You're going way overboard!

That's the take that the Ramsey backers take.

They make it sound like everyone hates Ramsey and thinks he's got no talent, which just isn't the case.

I think PR has talent and deserves a shot to compete for a job somewhere, but the problem is that Gibbs inherited him and he obviously feels other guys are better fits for him.

Any new coach deserves the opportunity to bring in "his guys", unfortunately Ramsey just isn't in Gibbs' plans.

[Redskins_P]

This is the neverending thread.......

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

It's doesn't matter of course they weren't asking for the chosen one's head.... any int he could have thrown doesn't count cause he is more superior than any Qb...... Ramsey is just some dumbass with no football skill what so ever.... Brunell deserve's more consideration by the fact that he has so many championships ........he is a 1st ballot hall of famer....

There you go, playing the martyr again. I have yet to see anyone - ANYONE- assert a) Ramsey stinks. b) Brunnell is a hall of famer. INSTEAD, it simply asserted that a) Brunnell played pretty well for us this year; b) Ramsey has limitations which, GENERALLY SPEAKING, seem to be less of a problem for Brunnell (sacks, ints, lack of mobility). Essentially, everyone supporting Brunnell is saying, Gibbs wants to win, Gibbs knows more about QB's than we (despite being well informed) will ever know.

There is not some dark conspiracy to hold Ramsey back, rather, the coach who got us back to the playoff felt more comfortable with Brunnell. Gibbs would play the Diet Pepsi Machine at QB if he thought it gave the Skins the best chance to win.

Am I satisfied with the team's performance? Yes and No. Do I wish we were going to the SB? Yup. I am happy with the progress and believe we will continue to do so. Yup. Do I trust that Gibbs is the right man to make the decisions as to how best to get to the SB (including deciding which QB gives us the best chance to win)? Yup.

This team has progressed mightily since Spurrier's last game and the orchestrator of that change has been Gibbs.

Are we a better team than Seattle? We weren't on that day and it was not ALL Brunnell's fault. Would we have won with Ramsey? Dunno, but I am betting not. That was a pretty ferocious pass rush and I believe PR would been sacked into last week.

Questions for you RC and Offiss:
Do you believe you know more than Gibbs when it comes to rating QB's?
Do you have a better insight than Gibbs as to what it takes to win playoff games?

Unless you can honestly answer yes to both those questions, your argument (that Ramsey should be or should have been starting) simply has no foundation.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by offiss

I know.

I just don't consider making the playoffs a gauge of success in this sense, would anyone consider the Colts season a success? Not if your supposed to be playing in the super bowl next week. same here, we could have been much better, look how far we went without an offense, we could be playing next week if we had just a decent offense it didn't have to be great. And anyone who thinks that we didn't have the talent to beat both Seattle and Carolina are only kidding themselves, I say with a real QB we not only beat them, we beat them soundly. So I don't believe when you underachieve that making the playoffs makes you a success. I know it's been a while so making the playoffs is a big deal right now, but when your starving anything tastes good, that doesn't mean you should be happy with spam, when you could of had filet mignon!

Simple yes or no, with that statement you made, factoring Taylor Jacobs at #2 WR (who ran off the field yelling 'I think I have a concussion' which means you don't), Jimmy Farris at #3 WR and Antonio Brown at #4 WR do you think a 'real QB' would have made a significant difference in that Seattle game?

Is Ramsey that 'real QB' to whom you are referring?

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

There you go, playing the martyr again. I have yet to see anyone - ANYONE- assert a) Ramsey stinks. b) Brunnell is a hall of famer. INSTEAD, it simply asserted that a) Brunnell played pretty well for us this year; b) Ramsey has limitations which, GENERALLY SPEAKING, seem to be less of a problem for Brunnell (sacks, ints, lack of mobility). Essentially, everyone supporting Brunnell is saying, Gibbs wants to win, Gibbs knows more about QB's than we (despite being well informed) will ever know.

There is not some dark conspiracy to hold Ramsey back, rather, the coach who got us back to the playoff felt more comfortable with Brunnell. Gibbs would play the Diet Pepsi Machine at QB if he thought it gave the Skins the best chance to win.

Am I satisfied with the team's performance? Yes and No. Do I wish we were going to the SB? Yup. I am happy with the progress and believe we will continue to do so. Yup. Do I trust that Gibbs is the right man to make the decisions as to how best to get to the SB (including deciding which QB gives us the best chance to win)? Yup.

This team has progressed mightily since Spurrier's last game and the orchestrator of that change has been Gibbs.

Are we a better team than Seattle? We weren't on that day and it was not ALL Brunnell's fault. Would we have won with Ramsey? Dunno, but I am betting not. That was a pretty ferocious pass rush and I believe PR would been sacked into last week.

Questions for you RC and Offiss:
Do you believe you know more than Gibbs when it comes to rating QB's?
Do you have a better insight than Gibbs as to what it takes to win playoff games?

Unless you can honestly answer yes to both those questions, your argument (that Ramsey should be or should have been starting) simply has no foundation.

Joe,

As well said as you put it, it won't mean a hill of beans to our colleagues who feel that Ramsey could have taken us to the Super Bowl.

[jdlea]

PorterHouse did refer to Ramsey as Rat Pansy and he said he was an interception machine. I think that's insinuating that he can't play. At least that's my interpretation of it.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...ight=Rat+Pansy

Also, I'm not getting into taking sides, I'm just putting it out there that someone has asserted that Ramsey can't play.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Joe,

As well said as you put it, it won't mean a hill of beans to our colleagues who feel that Ramsey could have taken us to the Super Bowl.

First - Thanks. Second, yes I know.

Offiss's and RC56's refusal to acknowledge the underlying premise of their argument (that they are a better judge of who should be playing than JG) is that which is most frustrating to me and the only reason I have voiced an opinion. Also, I find the consistent:
1) twisting of the conclusion that, in coming to MB's defense, we somehow believe he is the end all and be all of QB's; and

2) assertion (both explicit and implicit) that, by accepting Gibbs choice of MB over PR, we all hate PR and think he is a big giant no talent shmo.

to be both disengenous and intellectually dishonest.

I like PR - always will, I wish him the best where ever he goes. Frankly, I hope he and Gibbs can work something out for him to stay one more year (through the end of his k). I think this would give us one of the best and possibly THE best QB situation in the league. I just trust that Gibbs overriding desire to win will always prevail and that despite his personal likes, dislikes, or whatever, Gibbs will go with the player he believes will win.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by jdlea

PorterHouse did refer to Ramsey as Rat Pansy and he said he was an interception machine. I think that's insinuating that he can't play. At least that's my interpretation of it.

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread...ight=Rat+Pansy

Also, I'm not getting into taking sides, I'm just putting it out there that someone has asserted that Ramsey can't play.

Fair enough. But the majority of posters have expressed their respect for Ramsey and, certainly, I doubt that the majority of those involved in the back and forth on this subject wouldn't support the "Rat Pansy" remark. As for being "a turnover machine", taken by itself it could be seen as saying Ramsey "can't play". But, while I consider it an overstatement, it is one of the big knocks on Ramsey and a reason why - despite Ramsey's excellent arm, toughness, and solid leadership abilities - Gibbs prefered Brunnell.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Fair enough. But the majority of posters have expressed their respect for Ramsey and, certainly, I doubt that the majority of those involved in the back and forth on this subject wouldn't support the "Rat Pansy" remark. As for being "a turnover machine", taken by itself it could be seen as saying Ramsey "can't play". But, while I consider it an overstatement, it is one of the big knocks on Ramsey and a reason why - despite Ramsey's excellent arm, toughness, and solid leadership abilities - Gibbs prefered Brunnell.

I don't disagree with what you said, I simply wanted to illustrate that at least PorterHouse felt the need to down him further than saying that "he's not the best fit for the Gibbs O." I'm not taking either side, I just remember that was said and I wouldn't to try to show why RC or Offiss might be feeling that way.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Monksdown

1st ballot? Whatever your smoking, send some my way.

LMAO you haven't been reading my posts ...that was tongue in cheek ...I am no brunell fan.

[railcon56]

What i see is no matter when PR's name comes up some poeple have every negative thing they can say about him.... I mean look at the Ramsey threads...... and showing his hand and stuff I'm called a Brunell hater but under that same interpretation...most are Ramsey haters too......Cant have it both ways..

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

What i see is no matter when PR's name comes up some poeple have every negative thing they can say about him.... I mean look at the Ramsey threads...... and showing his hand and stuff I'm called a Brunell hater but under that same interpretation...most are Ramsey haters too......Cant have it both ways..

Dude, someone saying that Ramsey has showed his hand, if that's what you're referring to, is not hating. It's simply saying that we....you know what, never mind.....

[firstdown]

Instead of rules for duplicate threads we should have rules for duplicate post.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Some people just hate Brunell that much I guess. Why I don't know, perhaps they just can't get '04 outta their minds despite him having a Pro Bowl caliber '05 season. Yeah I know, what about the last 3 games? Well, what about looking at the entire season, I know it's hard to think back that far but if you can still remember '04 I'm sure you can handle it.

If someone is seriously not going to watch games if Brunell plays I say fine, just one less fair weather fan we don't need.

I woudn't say that lets look at a couple of my posts

http://www.thewarpath.net/showthread.php?t=8657

A DAY Of Perfection
What a great day...Brunell threw the ball Long and well he played great...Portis ran well... LA played very well.... Even my boy Ramsey got in the game I'm very happy.....
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e: Skins fans should hope Ramsey starts and does well for the offseason (merged)
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But look if Mark does play i more than hope he has an All WORLD DAY!!!! I just personally think Ramsey is a better QB...but 1st of all I want the Skins to beat the eagles sweep.... we have nothing but eagles fans and dallas fans at work ..(I live in PA) i already have my broom redy right by the door.... and i am gonna be the biggest asshole to those fans like they were to me for so many years...
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I belive I am wishing him well here! Not a hater !!