Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You mean Chris Wilson, right?

Yeah, my bad, I thought the first name was wrong, but was way too lazy to go look it up...lol

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So if we did move Evans up to starter who would back him up then?

James, Jackson, Wilson and pick up someone off the waiver wire.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

James, Jackson, Wilson and pick up someone off the waiver wire.

Are you out of your mind?
James in injured, Jackson is a nobody, Wilson is strictly a pass specialist.
We needed a valid starter, options were limited to zero.

I'm not thrilled about giving up a 2 but we really didn't have any other options rather than hoping one of our guys (or a FA) suddenly got 2-3 times more effective overnight

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skinsnut

Are you out of your mind?
James in injured, Jackson is a nobody, Wilson is strictly a pass specialist.
We needed a valid starter, options were limited to zero.

I'm not thrilled about giving up a 2 but we really didn't have any other options rather than hoping one of our guys (or a FA) suddenly got 2-3 times more effective overnight

I'm just a big believer in playing the guys you signed and brought in. If James is totally useless and isn't ready to play this year then why sign him in the first place? If they think Jackson has no ability except to be a camp scrub then why draft him? Can't Washington rush off the edge too? I don't believe in the quick fix because history shows it simply doesn't work. I believe in coaching up the guys you've got and going that route. Buges did it with Heyer last year. Wasn't Heyer a free agent??? Now going into this year Heyer has gained valuable experience and is a solid back-up with playing experience in case Jansen isn't effective. Why can't this new D-line coach do the same thing?

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm just a big believer in playing the guys you signed and brought in. If James is totally useless and isn't ready to play this year then why sign him in the first place? If they think Jackson has no ability except to be a camp scrub then why draft him? Can't Washington rush off the edge too? I don't believe in the quick fix because history shows it simply doesn't work. I believe in coaching up the guys you've got and going that route. Buges did it with Heyer last year. Wasn't Heyer a free agent??? Now going into this year Heyer has gained valuable experience and solid bac-up with playing experience in case Jansen isn't effective. Why can't this new D-line coach do the same thing?

The problem is that you're not really being consistent with your use of the term "quick fix." What if James were ready to play, is that a "quick fix?" What if we had traded for Taylor earlier in the offseason? Would he not be a quick fix then? I just don't follow what you're saying.

As for Jackson, he was a 7th round draft pick this year. It's asking a whole lot for him to play a bunch of snaps this year. I'm aware of what Marques Colston did, but to ask that of anyone is a bit much.

On the topic of James, I don't think this was a situation where the Skins were looking for him to start the season at LE. He may not be able to play at all this year. That's not really a big deal, this was a low risk trade from the beginning. I don't see the problem if he doesn't play this year.

From what I saw last year, I don't ever want to see Marcus Washington with his hand on the ground again. I thought he was horribly ineffective last season. It seemed that he, more often than not, got stone walled and got his hands up.

I think the big thing is that the Skins had an opportunity to get a difference maker on the defensive line and did it. I would have made this trade even without the injury to Philip Daniels. It would have made the line deeper, Daniels can move inside and that would have been invaluable. I would have preferred a group of versatile players, but that's not what the Skins have. One thing I can pretty much guarantee is that Evans + Williams would not have been as effective as Jason Taylor.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm just a big believer in playing the guys you signed and brought in. If James is totally useless and isn't ready to play this year then why sign him in the first place? If they think Jackson has no ability except to be a camp scrub then why draft him? Can't Washington rush off the edge too? I don't believe in the quick fix because history shows it simply doesn't work. I believe in coaching up the guys you've got and going that route. Buges did it with Heyer last year. Wasn't Heyer a free agent??? Now going into this year Heyer has gained valuable experience and is a solid back-up with playing experience in case Jansen isn't effective. Why can't this new D-line coach do the same thing?

I think it's quite possible the new d-line coach is doing what Buges did with Heyer. He's got his starters, and he's got his projects. One might turn into a potential starter next year (like Heyer did), and there you go -- we developed the guys we brought in, and we also got JT to help get us there. Also, let's not lose sight of the value that JT provides to our younger d-linemen.

In the end, it's all about moderation -- develop some guys, and also get some guys that don't need development.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So if we did move Evans up to starter who would back him up then?

James/Wilson.

I do think we needed to add something at DE after Buzbee also got hurt. We could have waited for Philadelphia to shave one DE off their roster, lord knows they have way too many for their own good. Maybe we would have gotten Jerome McDougal at a bargain basement price.

It's moot now, and we'll never know for sure, but I really think we would have been fine.

[GTripp0012]

By the same estimations, Derek Anderson was worth a single win over the Kitna-line in 2007.

I've got the day off today so I'm trying to do some work to see if I can look at the differences between Daniels' value and Taylor's value and see just how much better the Redskins are now than they we're before camp yesterday.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I saw this news, and my eyes nearly popped out of my head.

Good work, front office.

[That Guy]

taylor was by far the best option, and i'm shocked how many people here are complaining that we should have kept the 2nd and let wilson ruin our season... what a terrible idea.

yeah, we need to draft a DE, but at #21 it's hard to get a great player, and they (obviously) didn't like merling all that much. I rather trade down and get players the team actually does want than settle.

we'll need to draft someone eventually though, and it is pretty silly how long the team's waited to do so...

[freddyg12]

While E. James has been mentioned in this thread, nobody has really said anything about him in relation to the "we should've addressed DE years ago" argument. I don't disagree w/that sentiment, but like Vinny said, they weren't going to draft solely on need if nobody is left that they like. That's the way the chips fell.

The reason I mention James is that he's a project that could come around for us. If he can regain health & form (it's been done before), we'll have a young DE that could be re-signed for the next 5 years or so. My point is, they didn't draft a DE high but they did take steps to acquire some recently - Wilson, Buzbee, James & drafting Rob Jackson.

Though he's a long shot, if Jackson makes the team & James starts to contribute, the same people will be praising the front office's inexpensive & efficient methods at filling the DE position while still drafting offensive weapons.

[skinsfan69]

Just heard Shockey went to the Saints. Can anyone confirm??

[BleedBurgundy]

Shockey traded: ESPN - Report: Saints acquire Shockey for draft picks - NFL

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Shockey traded: ESPN - Report: Saints acquire Shockey for draft picks - NFL

Man that pisses me off. They could have at least waited a week to trade the guy. I hate it when people try to steal our thunder. Now the media has to split time praising the Redskins with the Saints.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Those of you who think JT is too old to contribute in a BIG way are crazy. You don't just lose everything you had because you are one year (day) older. It happens slowly, and from what I've seen, JT has not yet begun to decline. I mean, look at Daniels -- the guy's 35, and not even worthy to stand in JT's shadow. Yet, he has been a great player for us -- for more than just one year -- and we got him in his 30's.

Just because a guy is over 30 doesn't mean squat. It means even less when you're talking about a future HoFer.

IMO, there is no more influential position on defense than DE. When you can add *one* guy, and receive a greatly improved defensive unit as a result, then you do it -- especially for a 2nd rounder. So, think of it this way: would you trade a 2nd rounder to make our entire defense better, and get a beast of a pass rusher in the process? Of course.

Also consider that JC won't have to score as many points, if our defense can limit opponents better than last year. That's invaluable.

If JT stays healthy, he makes our *entire* team better.