can WE now start a countdown to a new coach and qb

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sanchez is really impressing me. What I like is how our future head coach Brian Schottenheimer is showing faith in him by putting the game in his hands in the 2nd half against the Pats yesterday. I find it a bit odd that Zorn at seemingly critical junctures, first pass play of the season/3rd down paly in the red zone, Zorn isn't putting it in Campbell's hands to make that throw. With Zorn's future so closely tied to Campbell's success it seems odd that he would do that.

Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?

One man's "boring and unimaginative" is another man's "effective and efficient"

Seriously though, I think B Schott often unfairly gets labeled boring because of his last name.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not that I'm suggesting that these are anything but loaded terms, but couldn't Brian Schottenheimer's passing offense charitably be described as boring and unimaginative?

Dude, I would rather have Norv back and his playbook than the crap we are seeing. Actually JC would love Norv's playbook. Shit, Frerotte could have been a perennial pro bowler with the Wrs JC has, and Norv was a decent play caller. At least he had an offense that could score. Too bad Norv is an ineffective HC. Boring and unimaginative that gets the job done is way better than marching up and down the 20 yard lines only to come up empty or lousy FGs. Just like it is with women, the object is to score big!!!!!!

[roth74va]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

Good post, love the stats!

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.

I am in total agreement. Zorn has to improve on his playcalling in a BIG way. JC is not what people make him out to be. Its been the same story even when Gibbs was here. Receivers dropping balls and trouble in the endzone.

I will say this though. Everything is slowly coming along. Last week we couldn't move the ball. this week we moved the ball with ease. Last week our defense didn't do squat. This week they held the rams to 7 points. Probbaly could have shut them out if not for a play here or there.

If we improve on our rush defense and score in the redzone atleast twice next week we will be headed the right way as far as progression.

Who better than to run rampant on the Lions.

Then we have Tampa Bay coming up which doesn't look that bad. Only threat is Cadillac. So we could easily be 3-1 eventhough we been playing like crap. Then Panthers and Chiefs? We might go 5-1. I see that as being possible eventhough we haven't had our "A" game yet. This schedule definitely works in our favor. So maybe we will be clicking on all gears when we reach the ATL game.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

Good post i'm a JC supporter it's only 2 games and JC's only going to improve.

Still on the fence. I was ecstatic when Campbell put that 55 yard pass on the money to ARE even though it was dropped. I thought we'd be seeing more of that, but he still misses gimmes like the first pass of the game to Kelly, still throws balls 5 yards out of bands on fade routes, still grossly overthrows deeps balls like the one to the end zone that almost ended up in the bleachers, and still seems hesitant to throw to receivers in single coverage unless they are wide open. I like that he doesn't turn the ball over and can make completions when he gets time, but there still seem to be too many deficiencies. Zorn or not, I don't see him getting signed by another team if he can only muster up another 12-13 TDs this year. Signed as a starter at least.

BUT, they can turn things around. It happens all the time in the NFL, and now that I've calmed down, I hope it happens for the Skins.

2 things - the Skins need to find ways to move the ball down the field without it taking more than 10 plays every friggin time and they need to score TDs when they get in the red zone (and sometimes when they don't). Worse problems have been corrected by other teams. They can do it.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by Buster

UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 1 - 17/36 (47.2%), 277 yds, 1 TD, 4 INTS, 43.2 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 27/38 (71.1%), 236 yds, 2 TD, 0 INT, 104.7 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 44/77 (59.5%), 513 yds, 3 TD, 4 INT, 71.5 rating, 14 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 1 - 18/31 (58.1%), 272 yds. 1 TD, 1 INT, 84.3 rating, 6 rush yds
WK 2 - 14/22 (63.6%), 163 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 101.1 rating, -2 rush yds
TOTAL: 32/53 (60.4%), 435 yds, 2 TD, 1 INT, 91.3 rating, 4 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 1 - 19/26 (73.1%), 211 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 93.6 rating, 16 rush yds
WK 2 - 23/35 (65.7%), 242 yds, 0 TD, 0 INT, 85.7 rating, 28 rush yds
TOTAL: 42/61 (68.9%), 453 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT, 89.0 rating, 44 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell (+8.5%), Sanchez, Cutler
Yds = Cutler (+60 yds), Campbell, Sanchez
TDs = Cutler (3), Sanchez (2), Campbell (1)
INTs = Campbell/Sanchez (1 ea), Cutler (4)
QB rating = Sanchez (+2.3), Campbell, Cutler (horrible)
Rush yds = Campbell (44), Cutler (14), Sanchez (4)


Campbell is holding his own, if not outperforming the others in nearly every category. His teammates have dropped many TD passes, but he is not throwing INTs either. Cutler is either in first or last in the categories, so he helps and hurts his team equally. Sanchez is doing well for a rookie, but Campbell's numbers still look better. Also, he has a smart mobility that neither of the other two have. He can take off and run for a 1st down if his receivers are covered, as well as any QB in the league.

I was supportive of keeping JC and completely against getting Cutler. Looks like I am justified.

It's not Campbell's fault that Zorn is blowing red-zone playcalls and critical TD passes are being dropped. He's showing more leadership this season and will have a great year when things start clicking on offense.

Nice one!

[09AFTacoma]

We should of picked up Jeff Garcia

[SBXVII]

.......16......15.......

[SBXVII]

^It's all about coaching....something were lacking.

[SmootSmack]

For some reason, I felt like looking back on some of my old posts to see what I thought "back then" about Zorn

Liked the idea of Zorn as an offensive coordinator

http://www.thewarpath.net/411413-post41.html

Totally called it on irish wanting Zorn as our head coach

http://www.thewarpath.net/411418-post43.html

Thought coaching the QBs and being the offensive coordinator was too much

http://www.thewarpath.net/413426-post121.html

Sort of eh about the hiring of him as head coach

http://www.thewarpath.net/419804-post38.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/419822-post53.html

http://www.thewarpath.net/420395-post290.html

What does it all mean? Nothing really, just interesting to look back and gauge my feelings then versus my feelings now

[Pocket$ $traight]

I think Zorn should go. I really like the guy but Dan Snyder put him in a position to fail. Washington is just the wrong franchise have to learn both playcalling and head coaching on the job.

For his sake, I wish Fassel had been signed and Zorn was OC. I do feel bad for him, but our window of opportunity with a lot of these veterans will close before he is up to speed.

Looking back, I wish they had just brought in the next coach during the offseason.

Of course this goes back to Snyder making another poor football decision. That's okay, it is only another failed experiment that the fans have to deal with.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

I think Zorn should go. I really like the guy but Dan Snyder put him in a position to fail. Washington is just the wrong franchise have to learn both playcalling and head coaching on the job.

For his sake, I wish Fassel had been signed and Zorn was OC. I do feel bad for him, but our window of opportunity with a lot of these veterans will close before he is up to speed.

Looking back, I wish they had just brought in the next coach during the offseason.

Of course this goes back to Snyder making another poor football decision. That's okay, it is only another failed experiment that the fans have to deal with.

8-8 in his FIRST-EVER head coaching experience is hardly the massive failure you're trying to pass it off as.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by Buster

8-8 in his FIRST-EVER head coaching experience is hardly the massive failure you're trying to pass it off as.

I didn't say or infer that he is a colossal failure (not sure where you are pulling that from), I said that this is the wrong town for a coach to learn on the job.

I would argue that the offense has taken a step back from Gibbs 2.0 and that an experienced offensive coach and playcaller would be scoring more points with this team.