IF We Take A QB At #10...Who Do You Want?

[SBXVII]

Christian Ponder seems to be a good choice also. Strong arm, accurate, places the ball so the receiver can continue their run, can run with the ball....

YouTube - Christian Ponder Highlights

[SBXVII]

Andy Dalton, I don't know, I watch him and I'm left impressed still with his play. Poise, arm strength, accuracy, run ability, .....

YouTube - Wisconsin vs. TCU Rose Bowl Highlights

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 30gut

BTW- Do you have any comment about the fact that Locker and Gabbert have similar efficiency numbers?

Actually, yes. I assume you meant "in 2010", because they're not close for their careers.

The biggest differences between them were:

-Completion percentage much higher for Gabbert
-Sack rate a little bit lower for Gabbert (not a passing efficiency component)
-Rushing Efficiency decisively in the favor of Locker (not a passing efficiency component)
-Gabbert had more attempts, mostly, because Locker missed a game and parts of two others.

I think if you wanted to say that Locker and Gabbert had more similar seasons than they were different, that would make some sense. I also think that it would be reasonable to say that Gabbert as a junior was not a significantly better college player than Locker as a fourth or fifth year senior.

I think that's as far as that argument would take you though. Gabbert probably wouldn't be a top pick this if he wasn't exceptional as a first year starter in 2009, but it seems reasonable to argue that he would have been better in 2011 with more receiver experience than he was in 2010 had he come back for his senior year. I am NOT saying he should automatically get credit for leaving that last year on the table. I am saying that Gabbert looks the part of a top ten pick (and I would take him at no. 10 if he's there), but still carries some concern, namely that the questions we would all have about him as a Senior in 2011 will be left unanswered.

[jfwallace3]

Mel Kiper, as of 2011.01.20, has another Auburn QB going to D.C.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Shameless Plug: You can watch more than just the highlights by going to ESPN3.com Click "Watch Now" Search "Missouri" (for example), Choose "NCAAF" then pick your game and "Watch Replay"
It'll give you a more complete idea than the YT highlights. Over 150 games to choose from
(Note: Fixing the Auburn issue)

You mentioned it before and i checked it out thanks.
Also, there are complete game cut-ups of Locker and Gabbert on youtube.
All of Newton's Auburn game cut-ups are available at:
Cameron (Cam) Newton Heisman Highlights

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by 30gut

You mentioned it before and i checked it out thanks.
Also, there are complete game cut-ups of Locker and Gabbert on youtube.
All of Newton's Auburn game cut-ups are available at:
Cameron (Cam) Newton Heisman Highlights

Bad ass highlights.. Freak

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Bad ass highlights.. Freak

Yeah.........i just think i changed my mind. Newton? Ummm yes please

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Yeah.........i just think i changed my mind. Newton? Ummm yes please

LOL Well I've said trade down but if he's there we will take him..

"Cam Newton is the Lebron James of football" Skip Bayless

[30gut]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

The only reason I think you have to look at the stats is because you might find a QB whose team ran the ball more then passed. Is it fair to look at him and say another QB threw for 3,000 yrds when this one only threw for 1,000? no but to see out those passes how many were caught might give you an idea of his accuracy.

Right.
And like i said i agree with you.
All i was saying is there should be a distinction made between comp% and accuracy.
And imo you have to watch a QB to assess their accuracy.
Like you say in your example using the 1,000 yard QB and 3,000 yard QB in your scenario watching the prospects will give you a better gauge of their ability as passers then looking at the there stats.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Right.
And like i said i agree with you.
All i was saying is there should be a distinction made between comp% and accuracy.
And imo you have to watch a QB to assess their accuracy.
Like you say in your example using the 1,000 yard QB and 3,000 yard QB in your scenario watching the prospects will give you a better gauge of their ability as passers then looking at the there stats.

Completely agree. Completion percentage also counts inaccurate passes and screens and the like. There is no way to tell from the numbers themselves where the physical placement, the trajectory, the velocity, etc of the ball is. Even a difference of 25 completions can swing completion percentage by 5% if 500 passes were thrown.

[SkinItup]

Newton, but i think someone will draft him before us.

I live in Settle. People here don't love Locker and with just reason. He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.

[SkinItup]

I'd rather take Dalton in the second round, or Kellen Moore later (who i think is the next Drew Brees).

[GusFrerotte]

Don't understand the Newton thing. The kid only played one season and seems to have a pattern of having things handed to him on a silver platter, not to mention being of questionable character. I know you can say the same thing about Big Ben, but his thing is centered around sex. Cam seems to have been protected in college from getting nailed from a lot of garbage, and once he comes to the NFL, I doubt he is going to enjoy the same preferrential treatment. He is a gifted talent, but he might be like a lot of folks say, another Vince Young. Locker still has never impressed me about being a first round pick at QB, unless one is totally desperate. His bowl game against Nebraska was a case in point. He won it with his running alone, while his passing game sucked. Threw a lot of floaters also. The TV announcers were really talking him up like he was a real stud, but I have never seen it, even last year, I never saw him as being as good as advertised. I say Mallet or Gabbert, and to be honest I lean toward Gabbert.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SkinItup

I'd rather take Dalton in the second round, or Kellen Moore later (who i think is the next Drew Brees).

I am with you on this. We need top linemen for our new QB. Newton or Gabbert are going to suck with this line, so why waste a pick on a qb in the first.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SkinItup

Newton, but i think someone will draft him before us.

I live in Settle. People here don't love Locker and with just reason. He is just like Clausen, can't win games, too many missed plays.

Define can't win games, and too many missed plays