Gun Control Thread- Should we?

Alvin Walton · 12-19-2012, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Missing the point really. Maybe we need to talk about how guns make it easier to kill than other weapons. Its quicker, more painless and efficient. You are pressing a trigger from yards away...kinda makes it easier to desensitize yourself.

It's a combination of capacity and easy of doing significant harm.

Why not make holes in paper using an air rifle or something? Why does it have to be bullets? If your answer is because I can, feels good, murica, etc. then I can't talk to you.

It doesnt have to a "bullet", but thats what I choose.
I'm doing somehting quite harmless. And quite legal.

firstdown · 12-19-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Missing the point really. Maybe we need to talk about how guns make it easier to kill than other weapons. Its quicker, more painless and efficient. You are pressing a trigger from yards away...kinda makes it easier to desensitize yourself.

It's a combination of capacity and easy of doing significant harm.

Why not make holes in paper using an air rifle or something? Why does it have to be bullets? If your answer is because I can, feels good, murica, etc. then I can't talk to you.

I'll agree with the first things but the last makes no sense. Killing is killing and a bullets impact is not a pretty site most of the time.

dmek25 · 12-19-2012, 10:19 AM

OMG im never giving up my gun...every time i hear someone say this it makes me cringe

RedskinRat · 12-19-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

OMG im never giving up my gun...every time i hear someone say this it makes me cringe

Because you didn't have a gun in the first place?

dmek25 · 12-19-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Because you didn't have a gun in the first place?

because it seems to me that people are so self absorbed that they are worried about themselves, instead of maybe looking at the big picture

RedskinRat · 12-19-2012, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

because it seems to me that people are so self absorbed that they are worried about themselves, instead of maybe looking at the big picture

From the point of self defense, I am exceedingly self absorbed or as I prefer to look at it: Proactive.

I live in a remote, high crime area. There is no way that cops are getting to my location, should I need their help, in under 30 minutes at best. I choose to have a defensive solution to hand.

I could understand your stance if I was out brandishing my handgun and big pimpin'.

Tell me what you think the bigger picture is? Kumbayah around the firepit with marshmallows? Eff that!

dmek25 · 12-19-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

From the point of self defense, I am exceedingly self absorbed or as I prefer to look at it: Proactive.

I live in a remote, high crime area. There is no way that cops are getting to my location, should I need their help, in under 30 minutes at best. I choose to have a defensive solution to hand.

I could understand your stance if I was out brandishing my handgun and big pimpin'.

Tell me what you think the bigger picture is? Kumbayah around the firepit with marshmallows? Eff that!

and i never said gun control meant turning in all guns. the assault weapons are just that. there is absolutely no need for them. in the end, the people that do the right thing will be suffering. but i guarantee you will not suffer as much as those kids did

hooskins · 12-19-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

It doesnt have to a "bullet", but thats what I choose.
I'm doing somehting quite harmless. And quite legal.

Just because its legal doesn't mean it should or shouldn't be. Not a valid retort IMO. We are debating the validity of existing and possible future legislation.

hooskins · 12-19-2012, 11:03 AM

Also I'm sick of the guns don't kill people argument. If you want to make a literal argument for the sake of justifying a position without facts I have one too; nukes don't kill people, countries pressing the red button do. Why should we even discuss reducing nuclear stock piles or preventing states from getting them? They are just deterrents!!

See how I took a ridiculous point, interpreted super literally, to counter? We can do this all day. Its stupid and pointless. Guns, especially high ammo and high fire rate, make killing people easier and really are not needed for practical purposes.

RedskinRat · 12-19-2012, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Also I'm sick of the guns don't kill people argument. If you want to make a literal argument for the sake of justifying a position without facts

It's a valid argument that can be applied to anything.

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Originally Posted by hooskins

I have one too; nukes don't kill people, countries pressing the red button do. Why should we even discuss reducing nuclear stock piles or preventing states from getting them? They are just deterrents!!

Rogue states are the problem, not the weapons themselves. If you can't see that this may not be the discussion for you. When was the last time we had nuclear ordinance activate and kill without human intervention?

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Originally Posted by hooskins

See how I took a ridiculous point, interpreted super literally, to counter? We can do this all day. Its stupid and pointless. Guns, especially high ammo and high fire rate, make killing people easier and really are not needed for practical purposes.

WTF is high ammo? What's the difference between a high capacity magazine and multiple 5 round magazines? A few seconds is all. Go to any range and watch people drill on mag changes.

Alvin Walton · 12-19-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Also I'm sick of the guns don't kill people argument. If you want to make a literal argument for the sake of justifying a position without facts I have one too; nukes don't kill people, countries pressing the red button do. Why should we even discuss reducing nuclear stock piles or preventing states from getting them? They are just deterrents!!

See how I took a ridiculous point, interpreted super literally, to counter? We can do this all day. Its stupid and pointless. Guns, especially high ammo and high fire rate, make killing people easier and really are not needed for practical purposes.

What does that mean?

If they are used for practical purposes, why should it matter, they are not harming anyone. You say they are not needed, do you really think you are qualified to speak for every law abiding citizen that owns one?

Please explain what legal guns you think have high fire rate.

punch it in · 12-19-2012, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

Piers Morgan really can be a POS. Not Bill Maher level, but a real dick. Its like Rush or Bill, from the other side.

Exactly how he came across. Rush or Bill from the other side. Lol.

hooskins · 12-19-2012, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Lotus

I never said ALL guns. But Australia has already had a successful campaign of taking many guns off of the streets and their homicide rate plummeted. It can be done.

And they are a country of criminals! Imagine what we could do as a country of normal people!

RedskinRat · 12-19-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

And they are a country of criminals! Imagine what we could do as a country of normal people!

Selected by the finest judges in the U.K. FACT!

mredskins · 12-19-2012, 04:32 PM

One of the more powerful statements I have heard:

If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.

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hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 39 Posts: 8,606	Also I'm sick of the guns don't kill people argument. If you want to make a literal argument for the sake of justifying a position without facts I have one too; nukes don't kill people, countries pressing the red button do. Why should we even discuss reducing nuclear stock piles or preventing states from getting them? They are just deterrents!! See how I took a ridiculous point, interpreted super literally, to counter? We can do this all day. Its stupid and pointless. Guns, especially high ammo and high fire rate, make killing people easier and really are not needed for practical purposes. __________________ Vacancy

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