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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The problem is that the Redskins really don't have these things now, especially draft picks.

??

So were are missing 2 draft picks out of the next two years and all of a sudden we are "don't have these things"??

Amazing.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The problem is that the Redskins really don't have these things now, especially draft picks. Our no. 1 receiver thus far has been Aldrick Robinson. Our defensive line is average and stocked with players who have been around 6 to 7 years. Our offensive line doesn't even have enough depth to start NFL quality players at the tackle position.

To show for the limited draft picks over the next two drafts, we have RG3. And Kirk Cousins. And Alfred Morris. That's it.

The idea that we're somehow in better long term position because of this variation of a below average football team instead of the last four variations is just total bunk. You can't just assume that the future justifies the present. Go off what the tape and the numbers tell you instead of blind faith.

Gettis, McRib, Compton, Crawford? Already given up on these guys?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Gettis, McRib, Compton, Crawford? Already given up on these guys?

It's not about giving up this draft or the next draft or my evaluation of any of those players, which is way across the board. It's about what the Redskins were willing to give up for what they have gotten.

What we've seen in three games is that the Redskins can still be not that great of a team in spite of the performance of RG3. Which is what we could/should have learned in the Campbell era. But didn't, apparently.

If things are bound to get better, they will get better in short time, starting today. If they don't, then they won't. More time cannot fix incompetence.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's not about giving up this draft or the next draft or my evaluation of any of those players, which is way across the board. It's about what the Redskins were willing to give up for what they have gotten.

What we've seen in three games is that the Redskins can still be not that great of a team in spite of the performance of RG3. Which is what we could/should have learned in the Campbell era. But didn't, apparently.

If things are bound to get better, they will get better in short time, starting today. If they don't, then they won't. More time cannot fix incompetence.

Huh? you specifically pointed to the draft and "all we have to show for it". What more do you want to have to show for one draft? 5 pro bowl players? ensured long term success forever? From this draft we got, apparently, a Franchise qb, a Shanahan RB, a promising DB in Crawford, and other potentials. The next two drafts we are missing our 1st round picks, but the rest of the draft board is full, and we have seen quality play from a couple late round picks in each of the Shanallen era.

Then you say that the Skins can't be that great team in spite of RG3's performance even though our offense is #6, and we lead the league in scoring. How that is in any way comparable to the JC years is mind blowing to me.

Incompetence? We lost two primary starters on the D and have reasonable backups to come in, and had Jenkins not suffered the ACL last year, we might not have missed a beat. We have been building depth while trying to find a qb solution. I think it's harsh to be talking about incompetence.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

People hold onto this myth that all these teams bring in a new coach, jump instantly from "worst to first" and sustain it. That's rarely ever true. It often takes years of building up the roster and often the staff that does the leg work isn't around to enjoy the fruits of their labor.

I love, love, love Gibbs and what he did both times here. But particularly the second time he didn't build the roster to win anything more than "now"

Three years ago Redskins fans complained we had no young talent at QB, no youth or depth at OL, no franchise QB, slow and old defensive line, no legit #1 WR, no draft picks.

We've got those things. And we should benefit long term from these moves. But since they aren't all Pro Bowlers an we're not coming off an NFC championship I guess they're all losers

See but there you go. Nobody is saying there all losers. Why such extremes? Im simply saying that im not going to crown shanny the savior of the franchise UNTIL he wins. I have never said he wasnt great for winning two superbowls. I clearly pointed that out a couple posts ago when i was comparing him to gibbs 2.0. I also fully acknowledge the damage vinny did to this team but it has been three years and what i see now is a team with a great qb and a couple of weapons on offense. Alfred morris looks like a real find. A defense and special teams that are in a complete shambles and an oline that is one injury away from being very poor. So i have two questions for you that i hope will be answered based on what you think and not with sarcastic responses that make it seem like shanny is a pos because he didnt win three superbowls and we dont have pro bowlers at every position.
1)do you think the teams gibbs took to the playoffs were 6 wins better than what we have today?
2) it is year three - what year do you expect for us to field a relevant team that wins more than it loses (notice again that i did not say field the greatest team in the history of the nfl)?

[skinsfaninok]

I think the only coach we all agreed on was Gibbs, and that's just because he's a legend! I actually thought Marty was a good fit and would have made us a contender like he did everywhere else. Dan just had the quick trigger on that one

[SmootSmack]

Plenty of people do say MS is a prick, a liar, a fraud who only ever won because of Elway and Davis.

1. Why 6 wins? Am I missing something? Anyhow, yes I do believe those teams were much better suited for short term success.

2. I expected and still do around .500 this year and a winning record and playoffs by next year that would continue with regularity after that

[SmootSmack]

This is the biggest reason I didn't want Shanahan here, because too many people would think "well damn he should just win here instantly"

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Plenty of people do say MS is a prick, a liar, a fraud who only ever won because of Elway and Davis.

1. Why 6 wins? Am I missing something? Anyhow, yes I do believe those teams were much better suited for short term success.

2. I expected and still do around .500 this year and a winning record and playoffs by next year that would continue with regularity after that

I think 8-8 is realistic and if we do only win 5 games then maybe we would have a problem but I am a Ms fan and still support the move.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I think the only coach we all agreed on was Gibbs, and that's just because he's a legend! I actually thought Marty was a good fit and would have made us a contender like he did everywhere else. Dan just had the quick trigger on that one

And Okie contrary to the backlash im taking for offering up the opinion that maybe shanny isnt doing a good job i do believe he was / is / could be again a great coach. Maybe the problem lies elswhere - his oc and dc - just dumb luck? I dont know. Im certainly not a debbie downer or a pessimistic skins fan. I do realize whole heartedly the damage that was done to the fabric of our team by vinny. I guess it just bothers me slightly that shanallen and this new regime are being hailed as saviors when they havent saved anything. Im not saying they wont im saying they havent yet so can we hold back on the thank you letters until they do. Can wr reserve judgement until i see it translates into wins. Why does that put me in the doom and gloom category? Lol

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Plenty of people do say MS is a prick, a liar, a fraud who only ever won because of Elway and Davis.

1. Why 6 wins? Am I missing something? Anyhow, yes I do believe those teams were much better suited for short term success.

2. I expected and still do around .500 this year and a winning record and playoffs by next year that would continue with regularity after that

Six wins better because i was comparing their record to the current team. I guess five would be more fair although this year is off to 1-2 so thats why i said six.
Ok thank you - so next year is the year you think that all shannys moves and his vision will translate to wins. Seems to be about the normal thought. I hope so. If they do i will say - wow shanny really had me going those first three years i thought maybe he was not on track for this.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This is the biggest reason I didn't want Shanahan here, because too many people would think "well damn he should just win here instantly"

Anyone who thoght that was / is delusional. I havent questioned shanny until now. Year three. Maybe my creeping doubt is premature. I sure hope so.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

And Okie contrary to the backlash im taking for offering up the opinion that maybe shanny isnt doing a good job i do believe he was / is / could be again a great coach. Maybe the problem lies elswhere - his oc and dc - just dumb luck? I dont know. Im certainly not a debbie downer or a pessimistic skins fan. I do realize whole heartedly the damage that was done to the fabric of our team by vinny. I guess it just bothers me slightly that shanallen and this new regime are being hailed as saviors when they havent saved anything. Im not saying they wont im saying they havent yet so can we hold back on the thank you letters until they do. Can wr reserve judgement until i see it translates into wins. Why does that put me in the doom and gloom category? Lol

I understand where u are coming from when u say that shanny may not be the coach we thought he was because we haven't won in so long that who is the right guy? Your not the only one who is having doubt but I want to finish the season and hopefully win around 8 games to start something for next year

[MTK]

How about we finish this talk after the season?

All this doom and gloom after 3 games is slightly ridiculous.

It's a long season folks, buckle up.

[punch it in]

Fair enough. Not doom and gloom though. Just concern for my team. Maybe unwarranted concern as i have stated. Lets beat tampa either way!