Alex Effect - 2019 Draft

sevier2 · 12-06-2018, 04:27 PM

With our cap space the way it is, it seems the only feasible option at QB is the draft.

Personally, I would love to see Gruden with a chance to pick "his guy" and develop him from day one. Give me Drew Lock out of Mizzou and put a couple weapons around him.

I know most are against keeping Gruden but I haven't lost faith just yet. Since coming to D.C. his QB situation has been less than ideal. I wanna see what he can do with a rookie QB before giving him the boot.

jamf · 12-06-2018, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sevier2

I know most are against keeping Gruden but I haven't lost faith just yet. Since coming to D.C. his QB situation has been less than ideal. I wanna see what he can do with a rookie QB before giving him the boot.

This is a stretch man.
Gruden has had a ProBowl QB the two previous years.
I'm not going to mention the dudes name but he wasn't a "Less than ideal" QB unless your ideal QB is Rodgers or Brady.

Wanting Gruden to stick around to develop the next Brady or Rodgers would be a mistake. We need a coach that will develop the whole team.

skinsfaninok · 12-06-2018, 04:54 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.3a594c5a9342

SFREDSKIN · 12-06-2018, 04:59 PM

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aign=editorial

mredskins · 12-06-2018, 05:36 PM

Sadly we are heading back to the Beck/ Grossman years. I don’t see Alex coming back.

metalskins · 12-06-2018, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.3a594c5a9342

That makes my head hurt.

mredskins · 12-06-2018, 05:44 PM

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That makes my head hurt.

There is a lot of teams like that. A handful of teams have/had a stalwart at qb for a decade. The graphic is misleading.

Irrefutable · 12-06-2018, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mredskins

Sadly we are heading back to the Beck/ Grossman years. I don’t see Alex coming back.

SIAP....is there any way Smith goes on the PUP list and his salary is NOT counted? Shazier reconstructed his contract to help Pittsburgh.... granted it was a much smaller contract

metalskins · 12-06-2018, 05:56 PM

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There is a lot of teams like that. A handful of teams have/had a stalwart at qb for a decade. The graphic is misleading.

I will say, in context, the chart is dating back to 1999, so 20 years, plus, some of those quarterbacks, like Beck, only played in a few games for one season. Hardly worth mentioning. Still, if you take the quarterbacks who had significant amounts of playing time, you look at:

Brad Johnson
Patrick Ramsey
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Donovan McNabb
RGIII
Kirk Cousins
Alex Smith

I'm thinking more of those who were meant to be the starters, not necessarily those who signed on for a handful of games or were backups playing because of injury. You then see 8 quarterbacks in about a 20 year span.

I mean, if we go back to the pre Snyder years, you still have quite a few quarterbacks just within the 90's: Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, John Friesz, Health Shuler, Gus Ferrotte, Tim Green, Brad Johnson. I might have missed someone in there. But, the point is, the Redskins haven't really had a franchise quarterback in forever. Heck, there could be an argument that Joe Theismann was never a true franchise QB, but I have always felt he was the last QB I could consider a franchise QB.

jamf · 12-06-2018, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by metalskins

I will say, in context, the chart is dating back to 1999, so 20 years, plus, some of those quarterbacks, like Beck, only played in a few games for one season. Hardly worth mentioning. Still, if you take the quarterbacks who had significant amounts of playing time, you look at:

Brad Johnson
Patrick Ramsey
Mark Brunell
Jason Campbell
Donovan McNabb
RGIII
Kirk Cousins
Alex Smith

I'm thinking more of those who were meant to be the starters, not necessarily those who signed on for a handful of games or were backups playing because of injury. You then see 8 quarterbacks in about a 20 year span.

I mean, if we go back to the pre Snyder years, you still have quite a few quarterbacks just within the 90's: Mark Rypien, Cary Conklin, John Friesz, Health Shuler, Gus Ferrotte, Tim Green, Brad Johnson. I might have missed someone in there. But, the point is, the Redskins haven't really had a franchise quarterback in forever. Heck, there could be an argument that Joe Theismann was never a true franchise QB, but I have always felt he was the last QB I could consider a franchise QB.

All those QBs not worth mentioning are the result poor decision making by the team

Let me know if you see a trend:

00-01: Sign Vet QB for playoff run (George, Tony Banks)
02-04: Rebuild with young QB and Vet Journeyman( Ramsey and Hasselbeck)
04-06: Sign Vet QB for playoff run (Brunell)
07-10: Rebuild with Young QB and Vet Journeyman (Campbell and Brunell/Collins)
10-11: Sign Vet QB for playoff run, Andy Reid has a guy... (McNabb)
11-12: Rebuilding with rookies doesn't work, lets get another Vet (Grossman)
12-18: Signing Vets didn't work, Lets trade 3 1st round picks for RG3!
18-Current: Well shit, lets sign a Vet QB to get us into the playoffs, Andy Reid has a guy!

Overpay for an aging vet, rebuild with a young guy, overpay for a vet, rebuild.... The cycle never ends if you are a Redskins fan.

CRedskinsRule · 12-06-2018, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

All those QBs not worth mentioning are the result poor decision making by the team

Let me know if you see a trend:

00-01: Sign Vet QB for playoff run (George, Tony Banks)
02-04: Rebuild with young QB and Vet Journeyman( Ramsey and Hasselbeck)
04-06: Sign Vet QB for playoff run (Brunell)
07-10: Rebuild with Young QB and Vet Journeyman (Campbell and Brunell/Collins)
10-11: Sign Vet QB for playoff run, Andy Reid has a guy... (McNabb)
11-12: Rebuilding with rookies doesn't work, lets get another Vet (Grossman)
12-18: Signing Vets didn't work, Lets trade 3 1st round picks for RG3!
18-Current: Well shit, lets sign a Vet QB to get us into the playoffs, Andy Reid has a guy!

Overpay for an aging vet, rebuild with a young guy, overpay for a vet, rebuild.... The cycle never ends if you are a Redskins fan.

Unless a team "gets their guy" i am pretty sure that a lot of teams follow that pattern.

BaltimoreSkins · 12-06-2018, 11:41 PM

My biggest QB fear is that the AS contract will make it tough/impossible to sign a serviceable veteran so we will need to draft a QB whether we want to or not. I frankly do not see a starter ready QB in the draft therefore we will rush the guy or overspend a first rounder on third round talent. Repeat in 2020.

skinsfaninok · 12-07-2018, 09:37 AM

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My biggest QB fear is that the AS contract will make it tough/impossible to sign a serviceable veteran so we will need to draft a QB whether we want to or not. I frankly do not see a starter ready QB in the draft therefore we will rush the guy or overspend a first rounder on third round talent. Repeat in 2020.

The only other option that I would not mind is trading for Jacoby Brisett, he's a starter in the NFL, and Luck is back so they don't need him.

12-06-2018, 04:27 PM	#196
sevier2 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 538	Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft With our cap space the way it is, it seems the only feasible option at QB is the draft. Personally, I would love to see Gruden with a chance to pick "his guy" and develop him from day one. Give me Drew Lock out of Mizzou and put a couple weapons around him. I know most are against keeping Gruden but I haven't lost faith just yet. Since coming to D.C. his QB situation has been less than ideal. I wanna see what he can do with a rookie QB before giving him the boot. __________________ This is an environment of welcoming and you should just get the hell out of here.

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skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,137	Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft https://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...=.3a594c5a9342 __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

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SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...aign=editorial __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

12-06-2018, 05:36 PM	#200
mredskins Gamebreaker Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 12,799	Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft Sadly we are heading back to the Beck/ Grossman years. I don’t see Alex coming back. __________________ When life gives you paper jams, turn them into paper footballs!

12-06-2018, 11:41 PM	#207
BaltimoreSkins Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Parkton, MD Posts: 5,685	Re: Alex Effect - 2019 Draft My biggest QB fear is that the AS contract will make it tough/impossible to sign a serviceable veteran so we will need to draft a QB whether we want to or not. I frankly do not see a starter ready QB in the draft therefore we will rush the guy or overspend a first rounder on third round talent. Repeat in 2020.

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